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Old 08-04-2012, 11:11 AM
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There is no "career" job in aviation. NONE. Even the mighty Southwest. 10 years from now that place could have the most disgruntled pilot group in the industry. All it takes is the wrong management. If you happen to make a career somewhere it is dumb luck.
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Originally Posted by FR8DOG71
There is no "career" job in aviation. NONE. Even the mighty Southwest. 10 years from now that place could have the most disgruntled pilot group in the industry. All it takes is the wrong management. If you happen to make a career somewhere it is dumb luck.
This could be said of all industry. Banking&finance, to logging. It's relative. Within each industry there will be the quality outfits and some are not. It's a false equivalency and only a fool says "some are bad so all are not worth it".

All you can do is make a discussion with the info at hand and you'll know when you retire if you were lucky.
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Old 08-04-2012, 02:15 PM
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At least outside of seniority-based airlines, one stands a chance to make a lateral move without going to the bottom of pay and standing.

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What is the ruckus about??? SkyW gets some new larger ac, sheds some smaller ac, and ends up with 25 crj2 ac that THEY FINANCE and fly for who??? Where are those ac going? It's a net loss of airframes.

Can't keep flying airplanes at cost/loss forever.....
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Old 08-04-2012, 05:57 PM
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Here is what I am seeing, and everyone please feel free to tell me that im way off in the left field on this, but Skywest once again shows why they have been in front of the wave on just about everything since their creation. Knowing that they could not be cost competitive with the low cut (expletive restrained) carriers (hint: rhymes with gojet) they found a way to secure flying for at least another decade, without bidding the flying at a loss. They agreed to void some of the existing agreements on the 200's and allow DL to opt out early, and in return they got a big piece of the new TA's pie. Nothing earth shattering about that, but what I do give them credit for is the timeline that the 200's will be retired, it almost perfectly mirrors the predicted attrition they will be experiencing, so as the pilots leave so go the planes. This seems to be the classic killing two birds with one stone, they solved their looming pilot staffing issues, and also secured additional 65+seat flying. The one big downside to this strategy is that upgrades will continue to be that moving target that will always seem to be just out of reach for so many current FO's.
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Old 08-04-2012, 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by skigambia
Here is what I am seeing, and everyone please feel free to tell me that im way off in the left field on this, but Skywest once again shows why they have been in front of the wave on just about everything since their creation. Knowing that they could not be cost competitive with the low cut (expletive restrained) carriers (hint: rhymes with gojet) they found a way to secure flying for at least another decade, without bidding the flying at a loss. They agreed to void some of the existing agreements on the 200's and allow DL to opt out early, and in return they got a big piece of the new TA's pie. Nothing earth shattering about that, but what I do give them credit for is the timeline that the 200's will be retired, it almost perfectly mirrors the predicted attrition they will be experiencing, so as the pilots leave so go the planes. This seems to be the classic killing two birds with one stone, they solved their looming pilot staffing issues, and also secured additional 65+seat flying. The one big downside to this strategy is that upgrades will continue to be that moving target that will always seem to be just out of reach for so many current FO's.
I think there's a lot of truth to this post... Well said sir.
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Old 08-04-2012, 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by seafeye
I bet history can show more major airline furloughs than regional.
Just watch that pendulum on its way back.
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Old 08-04-2012, 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by skigambia
Here is what I am seeing, and everyone please feel free to tell me that im way off in the left field on this, but Skywest once again shows why they have been in front of the wave on just about everything since their creation. Knowing that they could not be cost competitive with the low cut (expletive restrained) carriers (hint: rhymes with gojet) they found a way to secure flying for at least another decade, without bidding the flying at a loss. They agreed to void some of the existing agreements on the 200's and allow DL to opt out early, and in return they got a big piece of the new TA's pie. Nothing earth shattering about that, but what I do give them credit for is the timeline that the 200's will be retired, it almost perfectly mirrors the predicted attrition they will be experiencing, so as the pilots leave so go the planes. This seems to be the classic killing two birds with one stone, they solved their looming pilot staffing issues, and also secured additional 65+seat flying. The one big downside to this strategy is that upgrades will continue to be that moving target that will always seem to be just out of reach for so many current FO's.
The wild card there though is JA's delusions of grandeur and when (not if) he tries to go IndyAir2 and blow all his money. Even Branson's little Howard Hughes wanna be experiment went through what, half a billion, before it even hopes to become sustainably profitable. JA can't bleed that much. Not even remotely close. And the day he tries, he's at DALPA's mercy because all that lift will have to be cancelled and contrary to legend and lore, the only significant penalties are being saddled with the leases, which DL is paying 100% already anyway.

If SKYW gets enough of an AA and UAL large RJ scope sale windfall, he just may be able to push off his inevitable ego based demise for another 5-10 years though.
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Old 08-04-2012, 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
What program was this under?
It was the WIA program.
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Old 08-04-2012, 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
Delta knew Comair was too expensive with their 2001 contract, so why would Delta grow them? True, Delta owned Comair, so any mismanagement can be attributed to Delta. And Comair being a senior group wa not Delta's fault. Anyone starting at a regional under the age of 45 should have always had their hand on the "Pull to Eject" handle, but obviously that ended up not being the case. I knew my regional was just a stepping stone and I promptly moved on to a major at the first chance.
My friends at pinnacle tell me you are quite the guy to fly with and got on at virgin with the minority card because, according to them, there is little else to justify your having been hired there. You are painfully preachy and condescending concerning matters you have little experience with ie the trams states back door by go jets it is a different story than negotiating in good faith for many years and remaining cheap ie Pinnacle
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