Skywest
03-31-2015, 09:24 AM
#9521
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2014
Posts: 613
I haven't been reflowed very much, but the last time it happened they sent us to DH IAH to SFO, do a turn, overnight, and DH us back to IAH. Our original trip didn't even touch SFO. It was simply because we cancelled in IAH. They reflowed us just because they wanted to put us on something. I had plans with my dad that evening on the layover too. This reflow thing is a huge QOL for me, because I bid certain layovers and pairings.
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The company is trying to paint this as pilots should do something when the flight cancels. I have no problem with that. My flight cancels and you want me to do a round trip while I wait to get back on my original trip? No problem. You want to take away a long overnight that my seniority holds when I bid because you want to run a domicile with 2% reserve coverage? Nope.
If you want to bid for a block of days and you don't care where you fly, bid reserve!!
03-31-2015, 09:46 AM
#9522
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2013
Position: 175 CA
Posts: 1,544
guess ill pack a fake mustache and a fake uniform in to get out of the plane haha...or sneak away with commo....oh wait they never come on time. If I was in SGU Id hire very attractive individuals to find crews...Im sure that would make it easier haha.I have been reflowed once in about 5 years, however I can see if they have the capability to do so more readily then maybe it would become more of an occurrence.
03-31-2015, 10:13 AM
#9523
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2013
Position: 175 CA
Posts: 1,544
In other news, SkyWest is the only regional in the top 500 best employers according to Forbes....let the KoolAid flooooooooooow!!!
03-31-2015, 10:29 AM
#9524
Line Holder
Joined APC: Apr 2007
Position: 88FO
Posts: 57
I took the first available upgrade and started class in January. I'm ORD based and with the way my training schedule went (had a month between my checkride and start of IOE) I won't sit reserve at all. The guys in my class, depending on when they finished IOE, had anywhere from a couple of weeks of reserve to none. With all the awards junior to me it looks like I won't have to sit reserve at all. Not saying that will continue but that is what happened to me.
03-31-2015, 12:39 PM
#9525
Prime Minister/Moderator
Joined APC: Jan 2006
Position: Engines Turn Or People Swim
Posts: 40,057
Haha sounds like Surejet and Envoy...Idk could be a fun game guess ill pack a fake mustache and a fake uniform in to get out of the plane haha...or sneak away with commo....oh wait they never come on time. If I was in SGU Id hire very attractive individuals to find crews...Im sure that would make it easier haha.
guess ill pack a fake mustache and a fake uniform in to get out of the plane haha...or sneak away with commo....oh wait they never come on time. If I was in SGU Id hire very attractive individuals to find crews...Im sure that would make it easier haha.They would probably mostly eliminate reserves and just reflow as needed.
03-31-2015, 01:04 PM
#9526
Banned
Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: EMB 145 CPT
Posts: 2,934
Skywest
Well Im pretty sure 2 out of 3 are on their way out which makes your argument null and void. You mean going to a legacy where the union is actually effective and working for you rather than against you? Yes I think everyone is happy paying money for something that has a return. Didn't express jet just sign a EFB revision that mirrors ours?
Delta management as in Endeavor management. And none of them are on the way out.
And NO, our EFB MOU does NOT allow them to reassign us, notify us, NOTHING. That MOU was ratified by the MEC in mid February. I think it's actually the other way around.
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03-31-2015, 01:28 PM
#9527
Banned
Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: EMB 145 CPT
Posts: 2,934
Thanks buddy, I will take all the slack I can get! 
Well ya see I would get 2 hours today because instead of waking up at 4:30 am and being done by 1:30pm I slept in till 10:30 and was done at 8:30pm (outside daily footprint) then tomorrow I am still on reflow but I am done earlier than my original release so I would get an extra hour. The other crew would have gotten 2 today for outside scheduled footprint two tomorrow because outside of scheduled footprint plus 3 tomorrow because it ends later than their original release time. IF they agreed to it... See the 3 hour deal outside of footprint is optional. Swell eh?
For the EFB.. I didn't buy an iPad because I figured we would get an EFB, and it will make us/SkyWest more efficient. I don't have any secret girlfriends on the road so I don't care where I spend the night. If they make me more efficient by flying instead of sitting for 3 hours in Detroit and I make more money than heck yeah max me out every day. Give me a 4 day that makes me 50 hours of credit with reflows deadheads and jumping over the moon. When I come to work I am away from the people I want to be with and not where I want to be most(sorry SkyWest crews your a fun group and I have good times but off time is still better ) when at work I wanna get paid. The reflow and efb help SkyWest give me more money. I know I know.. I'm the new guy what do I know?
Well ya see I would get 2 hours today because instead of waking up at 4:30 am and being done by 1:30pm I slept in till 10:30 and was done at 8:30pm (outside daily footprint) then tomorrow I am still on reflow but I am done earlier than my original release so I would get an extra hour. The other crew would have gotten 2 today for outside scheduled footprint two tomorrow because outside of scheduled footprint plus 3 tomorrow because it ends later than their original release time. IF they agreed to it... See the 3 hour deal outside of footprint is optional. Swell eh?For the EFB.. I didn't buy an iPad because I figured we would get an EFB, and it will make us/SkyWest more efficient. I don't have any secret girlfriends on the road so I don't care where I spend the night. If they make me more efficient by flying instead of sitting for 3 hours in Detroit and I make more money than heck yeah max me out every day. Give me a 4 day that makes me 50 hours of credit with reflows deadheads and jumping over the moon. When I come to work I am away from the people I want to be with and not where I want to be most(sorry SkyWest crews your a fun group and I have good times but off time is still better
) when at work I wanna get paid. The reflow and efb help SkyWest give me more money. I know I know.. I'm the new guy what do I know?Reflow policy means nothing if you turn your tablet off between flights and don't turn it back on until you get in the airplane. Personally, I plan to have the cell data OFF at all times. The only way we get screwed is if SAPA gives and allows the language "cell data must be on at all times" and/or "pilots are required to be notifiable via efb."
The reflow policy is fine because it gets us paid for what already happens.
Just my 2 cents.
The reflow policy is fine because it gets us paid for what already happens.
Just my 2 cents.
Don't you guys already have a policy that pays you premium pay anytime this happens? Or is it just straight pay?
Some folks don't care where they fly. Many folks bid specific overnights for specific reasons, such as layovers in home town with family or long layovers to work out or work their other job (the REAL job, the one that allows them to work for a regional in the first place). For me all of those apply, it's a big QOL issue.
There was a time when I could bid productive trips. We once had a grueling 2-day that blocked about 8 hours each day with a short overnight, credited about 18, and got back at midnight. Not fun but that was the only trip you had to do most weeks, ie five days off/week. No with the gross inefficiencies due both to 117 and SGU, I have to build QOL into my trips.
YOU are a perfect example of why we do NOT want EFB notification...you're willing to accept any schedule so they can just leave you a VM, you'll call them back and get your reflow. VOLUNTARY reflow. I don't even mind EFB notification as long as it's voluntary, ie an "offer" not a "notification".
Now I tend to be something of a "company man" in that I'm a team player and want the organization to succeed. The company is claiming they need flexibility during IROPS...Ok, I buy that but the problem with SGU (or any other airline management) is if you give them an inch without a defined boundary, they'll take a mile. If we give them this carte blanche they will use it as an everyday staffing tool and very few folks will ever fly the schedule they bid or finish the trip they started. I'd be fine with mandatory reflow as long as it's limited, such as they can only reflow you once a month or during REAL IROPS caused by major weather (determined by some objective trigger, such as schools closed).
There was a time when I could bid productive trips. We once had a grueling 2-day that blocked about 8 hours each day with a short overnight, credited about 18, and got back at midnight. Not fun but that was the only trip you had to do most weeks, ie five days off/week. No with the gross inefficiencies due both to 117 and SGU, I have to build QOL into my trips.
YOU are a perfect example of why we do NOT want EFB notification...you're willing to accept any schedule so they can just leave you a VM, you'll call them back and get your reflow. VOLUNTARY reflow. I don't even mind EFB notification as long as it's voluntary, ie an "offer" not a "notification".
Now I tend to be something of a "company man" in that I'm a team player and want the organization to succeed. The company is claiming they need flexibility during IROPS...Ok, I buy that but the problem with SGU (or any other airline management) is if you give them an inch without a defined boundary, they'll take a mile. If we give them this carte blanche they will use it as an everyday staffing tool and very few folks will ever fly the schedule they bid or finish the trip they started. I'd be fine with mandatory reflow as long as it's limited, such as they can only reflow you once a month or during REAL IROPS caused by major weather (determined by some objective trigger, such as schools closed).
There is nothing wrong with letting the company be more flexible. The question is if what you are getting in return is good enough for the pilot group as a whole.
We have very little leverage. We are a regional. We dance for mainline. Cool your blood boil that ain't healthy. Have you seen our profit margin? Hurray we made 20 million in a quarter... But did you see net income? Our profit is a drop in the bucket. The ship has to be run tight or the few percent we call profit is gone. It is the market we are in.
You have less leverage because you are a contractor, yes. And you have less leverage because you are non-union. But that doesn't mean that if you are a regional pilot, you have no leverage. For example, we voted down a concessionary TA by 83%. Since then, management has backtracked on their demand for concessions and has actually improved our contract (slightly) through several MOUs. Where did that leverage come from if we have none?
Haha sounds like Surejet and Envoy...Idk could be a fun game guess ill pack a fake mustache and a fake uniform in to get out of the plane haha...or sneak away with commo....oh wait they never come on time. If I was in SGU Id hire very attractive individuals to find crews...Im sure that would make it easier haha.
I have been reflowed once in about 5 years, however I can see if they have the capability to do so more readily then maybe it would become more of an occurrence.
guess ill pack a fake mustache and a fake uniform in to get out of the plane haha...or sneak away with commo....oh wait they never come on time. If I was in SGU Id hire very attractive individuals to find crews...Im sure that would make it easier haha.I have been reflowed once in about 5 years, however I can see if they have the capability to do so more readily then maybe it would become more of an occurrence.
This policy works good for us. If they want to reassign us, they have to get a crew scheduler, crew tracker, or Cheif pilot to notify you in person or by phone (if you answer). Most times the crew scheduler will leave you a voicemail explaining the reassignment. If you want it, call back. If not, then ignore the message.
03-31-2015, 04:20 PM
#9528
Prime Minister/Moderator
Joined APC: Jan 2006
Position: Engines Turn Or People Swim
Posts: 40,057
Sometimes, the policy seems inconsistent. At least with 117 sometimes you can play the "I'll have to drive X number of hours home (or to my "friends" house) and then back, so you'll have to push the departure time so I get eight hours opportunity." They have no policy or precedent which requires, after a reflow, that you buy a hotel nearby to ensure you can get back to work quickly.
This policy works good for us. If they want to reassign us, they have to get a crew scheduler, crew tracker, or Cheif pilot to notify you in person or by phone (if you answer). Most times the crew scheduler will leave you a voicemail explaining the reassignment. If you want it, call back. If not, then ignore the message.
Important point: can XJT be junior manned (involuntary) into a day off, ie can they extend your trip or catch you on duty to assign another trip on your days off?
03-31-2015, 06:15 PM
#9529
Banned
Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: EMB 145 CPT
Posts: 2,934
Skywest
Anecdotal point: in almost 10 years, I've never had this happen to me.
Sometimes, the policy seems inconsistent. At least with 117 sometimes you can play the "I'll have to drive X number of hours home (or to my "friends" house) and then back, so you'll have to push the departure time so I get eight hours opportunity." They have no policy or precedent which requires, after a reflow, that you buy a hotel nearby to ensure you can get back to work quickly.
That's the way it is now, within trip footprint. Outside of footprint it's all voluntary (it's referred to as "junior man" but it's not really).
Important point: can XJT be junior manned (involuntary) into a day off, ie can they extend your trip or catch you on duty to assign another trip on your days off?
Important point: can XJT be junior manned (involuntary) into a day off, ie can they extend your trip or catch you on duty to assign another trip on your days off?
At xjt, technically, you cannot refuse a reassignment or junior man. But people do it all the time. But yeah, they can roll your day off. If they do, they have to restore your day off or pay you 150% unless you are at minimum days off (12 days off), then you get both your day restored and 150%. For all intents and purposes, it's voluntary.
Another anecdotal point: I've only had a day rolled once. That's because a weather delay had us time out at an outstation.
03-31-2015, 07:12 PM
#9530
Line Holder
Joined APC: Oct 2013
Posts: 31
Hired 400-500 in 2014, and now 60+ per month are showing up to class. there is movement, more than one new hire in training got SEA erj 175, and seattle has typically been one of our most senior bases. regionals are hurting for pilots, and I'd bet soon that contracts will go to regionals that can actually staff the flying. It's a good place to be I think.
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