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03-30-2015, 08:23 PM
#9491
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2014
Posts: 613
Wish we had that reflow policy now... My crew would have been paid an extra three hours for a reflow to a better trip because of weather... The other crew would have been paid an additional 7. I have talked to a few people and I believe the reflow policy is good for us, reflows screw the system up and are only used when needed... Otherwise why have a schedule? Show up to work for a set block of days and box for your trip right? I want to see it voted in. And the EFB.. I think there is more to gain from it than we would lose. And my opinions have been formed from talking to people who have been here and at other regionals way longer than I have. It ain't perfect, but at least I ain't at gojetssssssssss.
So you mean to tell me that you were reflowed to a trip that was outside of your footprint and you would have been paid an additional 3 hours? And the crew that was getting an additional 7 hours? I must've missed that number in the 1-2-3 reflow document. How do those numbers work? Your right, they should only be used in emergencies and I can tell you that with our reserve staffing, everyday will be an emergency this summer.
Sell me on the EFB. How does that help the pilots? I already have an Ipad that I pack around, and each plane I get in has the charts already. I don't see any benefit to getting the EFB. Take out the notification. It wasn't needed with our union counterparts, so why should we agree to that? If you happen to be in a base that has any Captains that have done significant time on reserve, ask them what they think about the reflow. Ask them about the tricks and abuse CS can pass out. I am really happy for you that you didn't need to spend years on reserve. But I am also happy that I did because I got to see first hand how much of a **** SW gives about the pilots QOL.
Oh and if I wanted to go to some crappy regional, I would probably already be out of this regional rat race, but I kept instructing to get the 1,000 hours that SW required. When I started SW they were telling us 2 year upgrade in training. So sorry if I don't think that "we don't suck as bad as other regionals" is a valid reason. For hell sake, what is it going to take for us to finalize realize our worth??
03-30-2015, 08:25 PM
#9492
Line Holder
Joined APC: Jul 2014
Position: sea-are-jay
Posts: 86
03-30-2015, 08:43 PM
#9493
Line Holder
Joined APC: Jul 2014
Position: sea-are-jay
Posts: 86
I'll cut you some slack since I am sure in your 2 1/2 months on reserve, you saw all the tricks that CS have up their sleeve right? By your own admission that reserve here isn't that bad, tells me that you have no idea of the hell that CS can make your life.
So you mean to tell me that you were reflowed to a trip that was outside of your footprint and you would have been paid an additional 3 hours? And the crew that was getting an additional 7 hours? I must've missed that number in the 1-2-3 reflow document. How do those numbers work? Your right, they should only be used in emergencies and I can tell you that with our reserve staffing, everyday will be an emergency this summer.
Sell me on the EFB. How does that help the pilots? I already have an Ipad that I pack around, and each plane I get in has the charts already. I don't see any benefit to getting the EFB. Take out the notification. It wasn't needed with our union counterparts, so why should we agree to that? If you happen to be in a base that has any Captains that have done significant time on reserve, ask them what they think about the reflow. Ask them about the tricks and abuse CS can pass out. I am really happy for you that you didn't need to spend years on reserve. But I am also happy that I did because I got to see first hand how much of a **** SW gives about the pilots QOL.
Oh and if I wanted to go to some crappy regional, I would probably already be out of this regional rat race, but I kept instructing to get the 1,000 hours that SW required. When I started SW they were telling us 2 year upgrade in training. So sorry if I don't think that "we don't suck as bad as other regionals" is a valid reason. For hell sake, what is it going to take for us to finalize realize our worth??
So you mean to tell me that you were reflowed to a trip that was outside of your footprint and you would have been paid an additional 3 hours? And the crew that was getting an additional 7 hours? I must've missed that number in the 1-2-3 reflow document. How do those numbers work? Your right, they should only be used in emergencies and I can tell you that with our reserve staffing, everyday will be an emergency this summer.
Sell me on the EFB. How does that help the pilots? I already have an Ipad that I pack around, and each plane I get in has the charts already. I don't see any benefit to getting the EFB. Take out the notification. It wasn't needed with our union counterparts, so why should we agree to that? If you happen to be in a base that has any Captains that have done significant time on reserve, ask them what they think about the reflow. Ask them about the tricks and abuse CS can pass out. I am really happy for you that you didn't need to spend years on reserve. But I am also happy that I did because I got to see first hand how much of a **** SW gives about the pilots QOL.
Oh and if I wanted to go to some crappy regional, I would probably already be out of this regional rat race, but I kept instructing to get the 1,000 hours that SW required. When I started SW they were telling us 2 year upgrade in training. So sorry if I don't think that "we don't suck as bad as other regionals" is a valid reason. For hell sake, what is it going to take for us to finalize realize our worth??
Well ya see I would get 2 hours today because instead of waking up at 4:30 am and being done by 1:30pm I slept in till 10:30 and was done at 8:30pm (outside daily footprint) then tomorrow I am still on reflow but I am done earlier than my original release so I would get an extra hour. The other crew would have gotten 2 today for outside scheduled footprint two tomorrow because outside of scheduled footprint plus 3 tomorrow because it ends later than their original release time. IF they agreed to it... See the 3 hour deal outside of footprint is optional. Swell eh?For the EFB.. I didn't buy an iPad because I figured we would get an EFB, and it will make us/SkyWest more efficient. I don't have any secret girlfriends on the road so I don't care where I spend the night. If they make me more efficient by flying instead of sitting for 3 hours in Detroit and I make more money than heck yeah max me out every day. Give me a 4 day that makes me 50 hours of credit with reflows deadheads and jumping over the moon. When I come to work I am away from the people I want to be with and not where I want to be most(sorry SkyWest crews your a fun group and I have good times but off time is still better
) when at work I wanna get paid. The reflow and efb help SkyWest give me more money. I know I know.. I'm the new guy what do I know?
03-30-2015, 08:45 PM
#9494
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2009
Posts: 2,035
They're definitely closing bases in small towns (except the Mx bases), but that's pretty much done with at this point. The real upside to SKW is large hub bases in the west, that's not going to change anytime soon.
The bro pilots are mostly transitioned, except for a few niche bases. New-hires will not really notice much pain from that direction and it will be over with in a month or two anyway.
The bro pilots ALL had the chance to transition last year...some decided to try and wait until the end but ended up seat-locked on reserve as junior folks left. But that was 100% predictable
, nobody to blame but yourself. They are pay protected at jet rates though.
The decision to come work at SKW used to be a no-brainer if you got an offer but now folks really need to consider all variables and options. It's a good bet if you have PIC but need some jet or FW time and the domicile geography works for you.
The bro pilots are mostly transitioned, except for a few niche bases. New-hires will not really notice much pain from that direction and it will be over with in a month or two anyway.
The bro pilots ALL had the chance to transition last year...some decided to try and wait until the end but ended up seat-locked on reserve as junior folks left. But that was 100% predictable
, nobody to blame but yourself. They are pay protected at jet rates though.The decision to come work at SKW used to be a no-brainer if you got an offer but now folks really need to consider all variables and options. It's a good bet if you have PIC but need some jet or FW time and the domicile geography works for you.
Small towns? Define "small towns".
The "real upside" was being able to live where you wanted to without having to commute from much nicer, less polluted, less congested, lower crime, and less expensive domiciles.
03-30-2015, 10:30 PM
#9495
MK Ultra Candidate
Joined APC: Feb 2013
Position: Prime Leader of Boko Harumph
Posts: 1,167
Tee-tee, very little new guy. They want the EFB notification so bad they can tast you flying all over the country without having to hear your voice or protests. This summer you will feel the pain, and it will make man-o-war jellyfish stings seem pleasant.
03-31-2015, 02:38 AM
#9496
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2006
Position: Capt
Posts: 611
Do yourself a favor before it's too late. Listen to those that have come before you. If not for your own well being, then for those that come after you. Stop selling this career down the river. Stop stripping this down into a shell of what it once was. For the love of god this is the first time in almost 20 years we have any leverage. Even in the modest level that is the regional model, we have leverage. And we still have to convince our own? Talk about the beaten wife syndrome.
03-31-2015, 04:03 AM
#9497
Line Holder
Joined APC: Jul 2014
Position: sea-are-jay
Posts: 86
This kind of stuff just makes my blood boil. Are there any lights on in there?
Do yourself a favor before it's too late. Listen to those that have come before you. If not for your own well being, then for those that come after you. Stop selling this career down the river. Stop stripping this down into a shell of what it once was. For the love of god this is the first time in almost 20 years we have any leverage. Even in the modest level that is the regional model, we have leverage. And we still have to convince our own? Talk about the beaten wife syndrome.
Do yourself a favor before it's too late. Listen to those that have come before you. If not for your own well being, then for those that come after you. Stop selling this career down the river. Stop stripping this down into a shell of what it once was. For the love of god this is the first time in almost 20 years we have any leverage. Even in the modest level that is the regional model, we have leverage. And we still have to convince our own? Talk about the beaten wife syndrome.
03-31-2015, 04:57 AM
#9498
Prime Minister/Moderator
Joined APC: Jan 2006
Position: Engines Turn Or People Swim
Posts: 40,057
For the EFB.. I didn't buy an iPad because I figured we would get an EFB, and it will make us/SkyWest more efficient. I don't have any secret girlfriends on the road so I don't care where I spend the night. If they make me more efficient by flying instead of sitting for 3 hours in Detroit and I make more money than heck yeah max me out every day. Give me a 4 day that makes me 50 hours of credit with reflows deadheads and jumping over the moon. When I come to work I am away from the people I want to be with and not where I want to be most(sorry SkyWest crews your a fun group and I have good times but off time is still better ) when at work I wanna get paid. The reflow and efb help SkyWest give me more money. I know I know.. I'm the new guy what do I know?
) when at work I wanna get paid. The reflow and efb help SkyWest give me more money. I know I know.. I'm the new guy what do I know?There was a time when I could bid productive trips. We once had a grueling 2-day that blocked about 8 hours each day with a short overnight, credited about 18, and got back at midnight. Not fun but that was the only trip you had to do most weeks, ie five days off/week. No with the gross inefficiencies due both to 117 and SGU, I have to build QOL into my trips.
YOU are a perfect example of why we do NOT want EFB notification...you're willing to accept any schedule so they can just leave you a VM, you'll call them back and get your reflow. VOLUNTARY reflow. I don't even mind EFB notification as long as it's voluntary, ie an "offer" not a "notification".
Now I tend to be something of a "company man" in that I'm a team player and want the organization to succeed. The company is claiming they need flexibility during IROPS...Ok, I buy that but the problem with SGU (or any other airline management) is if you give them an inch without a defined boundary, they'll take a mile. If we give them this carte blanche they will use it as an everyday staffing tool and very few folks will ever fly the schedule they bid or finish the trip they started. I'd be fine with mandatory reflow as long as it's limited, such as they can only reflow you once a month or during REAL IROPS caused by major weather (determined by some objective trigger, such as schools closed).
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03-31-2015, 05:00 AM
#9499
Prime Minister/Moderator
Joined APC: Jan 2006
Position: Engines Turn Or People Swim
Posts: 40,057
03-31-2015, 05:17 AM
#9500
New Hire
Joined APC: Mar 2015
Posts: 4
Any one has details on the shortened CRJ course?
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