M20EPilot

So far that decision has paid off. Most of April will be a nice vacation.

As of now all but about 30 bro pilots in each seat have been awarded transition classes starting in the coming weeks. The next standing bid will cover the rest. Its not like there are hundreds of us looming around... it has been a well thought out draw-down, albeit slightly sad for the Brasilia family!

FaceBiten

Whoa. So women may not be interested in aviation because women as a whole generally aren't, but socioeconomic conditions may be the reason minorities aren't interested in aviation? My BS detector is going off. Aviation careers are a lot harder for women to hold due to our patriarchal society, which is another huge holdup for recruiting women into this field. Who wants to invest the time and money into this career when you are floating the idea of having a family?

What if minorities just aren't interested because they are interested in other things as a whole, as women are? Or what if a poor white male really wants to be a pilot, but for the same socio-economic reasons he can't. So the poor black/purple/orange kid gets financial help and becomes a pilot but the poor white kid can't fulfill his dream? That insane argument is the root of a lot of the modern racism, which in 2015 should be gone from civilized societies. But the discrimination against the white male by modern day America sets us back several decades.

I agree with everything else you said, I just don't think anyone should get anything free/subsidized in this country based on skin color or gender. That form of discrimination breeds contempt and causes more problems than it solves IMO.

rickair7777

No I said fewer women are interested in aviation, therefore fewer women pursue aviation, which is a not a "problem". If the lack of interest is because they want to have kids and stay home with them, nothing wrong with that either. Nobody is forcing anybody to get married, have kids, or assume any particular gender role in this century in the western world. Suit yourself.

20 years ago, I would have agreed that women would face resistance...not at the corporate level but more in the cockpit culture. But essentially all of the old dinosaurs are retired (or would have been if not for age 65...).

Minorities *may* be interested in aviation but not have the education/finances to pursue it. Also possible that they may be interested in other things instead, due to cultural influences. But like I said I prefer to solve that problem at it's roots rather just hand out freebies for somebodies entire life.

FaceBiten

I agree, except that I know white males who can't afford the track to become a pilot, and they shouldn't be passed over a grant or scholarship due to their skin color, if it's available to a minority. That's discrimination at its purest, based on ends justifying means, which, as you say, is doable by other means.

flyinjgirl

I think the biggest deterrent to women pursuing commercial aviation is simply not knowing about it. Most female pilots I know, including myself, have a dad who was a pilot and got into it early. The other deterrent is the schedule, which may improve as airlines hopefully try to improve conditions to retain pilots. Having a family and being away is tough but doable. I have to give all the fathers & their families credit with the low pay and unpredictable schedules. It's a lifestyle my traditionally structured family friends balk at and discourage me from pursuing. It's a different kind of life for sure.


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flyinjgirl

My friend flew the bro at SKW and said it ended up being around $75,000 as a captain after 7 or so years. That's just what he told me so this is definitely not in stone. With a wife and kids in California, that's rough!


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rickair7777

Like I said, I prefer to deal it with where you can fix the problem, ie elementary and secondary education. Wait much after that, you're just propping people up as opposed to helping them.

saxman66

Not to be that guy, but any recent upgrades that took the first available in MSP or ORD. Are you getting people behind you to get off reserve or do senior guys keep coming in ahead of you, pushing you down? Just trying to plan my summer. Just ORD and MSP guys only.


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hindsight2020

So? Why is homesteading-friendly work schedules a bona fide concern/demand when coming from a working woman but not when coming from working men? If women value the home life and desire to have children and thus demand the job accomodates these priorities, which further drives them to not desire a traveling job like that of the airline pilot, then why the hell is it not the purview of men to demand it too? Talk about irony, for a female to be the one pushing the patriarchal agenda to her comfort and convenience.

What if I want to be Mr. Mommy and let the weef bust her rear with the crappy schedule and the 30K/yr job while I endure the supposed martyrdom of giving up "my career potential" in order to cover the domestics from the comfort of home? Yeah, we all know how that conversation goes amongst marriages and relationships all over this Country. Sister please.

I've taken my sister flying, my mother, my wife, all my exgirlfriends. They don't care much for it. None of them have expressed interest in pursuing it. I have female pilot friends. Great people, but they're social pariahs amongst their larger female peer group and constantly bemoan their dating lot in life. Most throttle back or give up the professional flying pursuit in their 30s, citing a shift in priorities. Color me surprised.

And here's the thing. There's plenty of beta males around willing to be Mr. Mommy for them while they go fly the skies and be gone from home.... But they don't want that. They want the socially established, high earner (on-parity earner at a minimum) great catch guy her nurse/teacher/SAHM/9-5worker sister has for a husband. That's the rub. But nobody can't fix that for female pilots. They have to own their choices just like everybody else does. That's not something requiring affirmative action however. Stop labeling it a problem.

ClickClickBoom

Whoa brah, you jusk caused ye interwebs to shimmy and shake, 2 lines max, for the humanity.
Poor white dude just wants a pickup, some beerz, and a trailer park hottie, being a pilot will get you 2 but not all threez.