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10-10-2014, 11:00 PM
#6971
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Joined APC: Apr 2014
Position: rj left
Posts: 118
Again, a union is a lot more than just negotiating a contract. My guess is that it's one of those things that you simply don't know what you don't know. By the way, the ALPA dues are 1.9% (probably going to 1.85%) that's all tax deductible. So the effective dues rate is actually lower.
321.. chime in
-its your mec not national that makes the union.
-we had no choice (PNCLMSBA,PSA,PDT)
-and i fell asleep
10-11-2014, 04:11 AM
#6972
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Position: EMB 145 CPT
Posts: 2,934
Skywest
I'm not trying to sell ALPA. Any union can set whatever fees they want. If they only want to collect 1%, then they can. I was just pointing out, and using ALPA as an example, that the effective dues rate may be lower.
And places lie MESA, TSA, endeavor, PSA, PDT, and even xjt would have been MUCH worse of without a union.
10-11-2014, 04:27 AM
#6973
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Position: Capt
Posts: 611
I wouldn't be so sure about that. This next pay negotiation in January is going to be a huge tell. It probably wouldn't be ALPA but anyone on property over 5 years will consider the idea seriously.
10-11-2014, 04:41 AM
#6974
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Position: Capt
Posts: 611
You're either impotent or incompetent. Neither one is a compelling selling point. In my opinion, AMR is about as predatory company as you can get and their union APA is effective.
Agagin, in my opinion, SkyWest continues to give just enough to fend off an uprising but little more. This next pay package needs to be a solid gain or it's going to be a big step closer to the cliff
10-11-2014, 05:20 AM
#6975
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when will you know about the pay package?
10-11-2014, 07:19 AM
#6977
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I don't see how there's any room for any gains, solid or otherwise...the company can't seem to win RFPs, and the high-longevity pilot group isn't helping with that. The company is efficient (by regional standards, trust me they really are) and has large economies of scale but is still getting underbid. The regional system, once again, is working exactly as designed...culling the herd of senior pilot groups. The acid test will be the UA and DL contracts coming up for renewal very soon.
Instead of wasting your time talking about regional unions and pay packages, I suggest ya'll start filling out major airline apps...
10-11-2014, 08:25 AM
#6978
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Position: EMB 145 CPT
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I've always thought this was such a dumb argument.
You're either impotent or incompetent. Neither one is a compelling selling point. In my opinion, AMR is about as predatory company as you can get and their union APA is effective.
Agagin, in my opinion, SkyWest continues to give just enough to fend off an uprising but little more. This next pay package needs to be a solid gain or it's going to be a big step closer to the cliff
You're either impotent or incompetent. Neither one is a compelling selling point. In my opinion, AMR is about as predatory company as you can get and their union APA is effective.
Agagin, in my opinion, SkyWest continues to give just enough to fend off an uprising but little more. This next pay package needs to be a solid gain or it's going to be a big step closer to the cliff
You are making my point! Without a union, places like AA, MESA, TSA, xjt would be worse off. That's a fact, nothing more and nothing less. Unless you think that CEOs the like of JO would all of a sudden be nice if his pilots had no union.
As for pay packages, if they give you just enough, don't you think you would do better, like the APA does?
10-11-2014, 08:30 AM
#6979
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What's the cliff? ALPA? SGU could care less, other than they would want to whittle the total package down as far as possible before a union vote freezes the status-quo (already in progress IMO).
I don't see how there's any room for any gains, solid or otherwise...the company can't seem to win RFPs, and the high-longevity pilot group isn't helping with that. The company is efficient (by regional standards, trust me they really are) and has large economies of scale but is still getting underbid. The regional system, once again, is working exactly as designed...culling the herd of senior pilot groups. The acid test will be the UA and DL contracts coming up for renewal very soon.
Instead of wasting your time talking about regional unions and pay packages, I suggest ya'll start filling out major airline apps...
I don't see how there's any room for any gains, solid or otherwise...the company can't seem to win RFPs, and the high-longevity pilot group isn't helping with that. The company is efficient (by regional standards, trust me they really are) and has large economies of scale but is still getting underbid. The regional system, once again, is working exactly as designed...culling the herd of senior pilot groups. The acid test will be the UA and DL contracts coming up for renewal very soon.
Instead of wasting your time talking about regional unions and pay packages, I suggest ya'll start filling out major airline apps...
Or they'll realize they can squeeze more economies of scale plus synergy savings with one combined pilot group while at the same time getting concessions from xjt. Of course that won't happen until they feel it's necessary.
10-11-2014, 09:07 AM
#6980
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Posts: 146
This place is going down a similar road of Horizon. They won't find a way to kick the senior capts to the curb, so they will shrink as planes come off contract and SkyWest can't win any new RFPs due to high crew costs.
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