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10-09-2014, 07:00 AM
#6941
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how does going PPO affect us? I'm looking at the little table and the only difference is it lowers the number of doctors...?
10-09-2014, 08:13 AM
#6943
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Joined APC: Jan 2006
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Art?
Take it with a grain of salt since I'm just a nameless guy on the internet but I asked TG during appreciation week what was happening with the Brasilia and he said they were on a 24 month program to get rid of it that could be accelerated if needed. He was pretty straight forward about it.
Take it with a grain of salt since I'm just a nameless guy on the internet but I asked TG during appreciation week what was happening with the Brasilia and he said they were on a 24 month program to get rid of it that could be accelerated if needed. He was pretty straight forward about it.
But from a profitability standpoint, they will definitely lose money if they slowly dwindle the fleet...the overhead will kill them with only a handful of planes, I don't know how many but I'd guess somewhere between 20-30 is the cutoff.
My guess is fairly rapid shutdown, sooner not later. Good chance there will be no new-hires for 3-5 months while the training dept processes the bro-drivers.
10-09-2014, 08:32 AM
#6944
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Position: B767
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24 months makes sense from a pilot-management perspective...if they shut it down all at once they wouldn't be able to ram all the ex-bro pilots through jet training all at once so there would be some folks back-packing across Europe for a few months, living on monthly guarantee.
But from a profitability standpoint, they will definitely lose money if they slowly dwindle the fleet...the overhead will kill them with only a handful of planes, I don't know how many but I'd guess somewhere between 20-30 is the cutoff.
My guess is fairly rapid shutdown, sooner not later. Good chance there will be no new-hires for 3-5 months while the training dept processes the bro-drivers.
But from a profitability standpoint, they will definitely lose money if they slowly dwindle the fleet...the overhead will kill them with only a handful of planes, I don't know how many but I'd guess somewhere between 20-30 is the cutoff.
My guess is fairly rapid shutdown, sooner not later. Good chance there will be no new-hires for 3-5 months while the training dept processes the bro-drivers.
10-09-2014, 09:13 AM
#6945
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I don't think that statement applies to the majority of Brasillia pilots. I think the RJ is much easier to fly and certainly the aircraft systems make much more sense.
10-09-2014, 09:23 AM
#6946
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This may be a touchy subject, but I'm curious... Do you guys think all the old school Brasilia guys are going to come over to the jet? I flew with several that couldn't make it through CRJ initial a few years ago. I guess necessity can be a great motivator, so maybe things will be different for those guys. But then again, some of them didn't even understand the "FMS" in the bro.
it's the older captains who haven't ever really flown anything automated that will have a problem. I can point out certain captains in the seniority list that I think will have a tough time.
getting bro pilots used to the inverse speeds will be interesting. What I mean by that: We climb slow, descend 250 to ~8-10 miles. jets climb fast, descend super slow compared to us.
I don't think the FOs will have a bad time going to the RJ. the captains on the other hand... some are very sharp guys, but some are stuck thinking the bro is a 172 and fly it as such (no profiles whatsoever. What's SOP again?)
10-09-2014, 10:23 AM
#6947
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some of our 15+ bro captains will have a ridiculously tough time. and I can tell you in FAT I've talked to at least 10 captains who said once the bro is gone they're done.
it's the older captains who haven't ever really flown anything automated that will have a problem. I can point out certain captains in the seniority list that I think will have a tough time.
getting bro pilots used to the inverse speeds will be interesting. What I mean by that: We climb slow, descend 250 to ~8-10 miles. jets climb fast, descend super slow compared to us.
I don't think the FOs will have a bad time going to the RJ. the captains on the other hand... some are very sharp guys, but some are stuck thinking the bro is a 172 and fly it as such (no profiles whatsoever. What's SOP again?)
it's the older captains who haven't ever really flown anything automated that will have a problem. I can point out certain captains in the seniority list that I think will have a tough time.
getting bro pilots used to the inverse speeds will be interesting. What I mean by that: We climb slow, descend 250 to ~8-10 miles. jets climb fast, descend super slow compared to us.
I don't think the FOs will have a bad time going to the RJ. the captains on the other hand... some are very sharp guys, but some are stuck thinking the bro is a 172 and fly it as such (no profiles whatsoever. What's SOP again?)
10-09-2014, 10:29 AM
#6948
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This may be a touchy subject, but I'm curious... Do you guys think all the old school Brasilia guys are going to come over to the jet? I flew with several that couldn't make it through CRJ initial a few years ago. I guess necessity can be a great motivator, so maybe things will be different for those guys. But then again, some of them didn't even understand the "FMS" in the bro.
But if you wait until the bro is gone, then you're fired if you flunk out.
10-09-2014, 11:48 AM
#6949
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Which is why you don't work here
10-09-2014, 05:32 PM
#6950
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Maybe SAPA will raise a shet storm about it.
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