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#5521
But Q400 replacements? No way.
Horizon has the Q400 operation down to an art, and they make Alaska a lot of money. OO does not have CAT III, which is VITAL to the SEA, PDX, and GEG shuttle markets, nor RNP .1, which is becoming more and more crucial throughout the AS and QX system, especially with QX moving up into AK. When you combine the Q400's fuel burn and speed on routes under 500nm, there is nothing that can currently beat it on the numbers side, and OO--and every other RJ regional--has nothing in their arsenal that would be competitive. The Q400 isn't going away.
Sorry dude.
#5522
The only replacements AS would be shopping for would be CRJ-700 replacements, as the ex-Horizon -700s are getting up there in age. I saw the Embraer 175 over at ASIG in SEA a few weeks ago when Chip and company brought it up from St. George to woo Brad and the fellas over on International Blvd. I'll buy that possibility.
But Q400 replacements? No way.
Horizon has the Q400 operation down to an art, and they make Alaska a lot of money. OO does not have CAT III, which is VITAL to the SEA, PDX, and GEG shuttle markets, nor RNP .1, which is becoming more and more crucial throughout the AS and QX system, especially with QX moving up into AK. When you combine the Q400's fuel burn and speed on routes under 500nm, there is nothing that can currently beat it on the numbers side, and OO--and every other RJ regional--has nothing in their arsenal that would be competitive. The Q400 isn't going away.
Sorry dude.
But Q400 replacements? No way.
Horizon has the Q400 operation down to an art, and they make Alaska a lot of money. OO does not have CAT III, which is VITAL to the SEA, PDX, and GEG shuttle markets, nor RNP .1, which is becoming more and more crucial throughout the AS and QX system, especially with QX moving up into AK. When you combine the Q400's fuel burn and speed on routes under 500nm, there is nothing that can currently beat it on the numbers side, and OO--and every other RJ regional--has nothing in their arsenal that would be competitive. The Q400 isn't going away.
Sorry dude.
#5523
On Reserve
Joined APC: Feb 2010
Posts: 14
Horizon has the Q400 operation down to an art, and they make Alaska a lot of money. OO does not have CAT III, which is VITAL to the SEA, PDX, and GEG shuttle markets, nor RNP .1, which is becoming more and more crucial throughout the AS and QX system, especially with QX moving up into AK. When you combine the Q400's fuel burn and speed on routes under 500nm, there is nothing that can currently beat it on the numbers side, and OO--and every other RJ regional--has nothing in their arsenal that would be competitive. The Q400 isn't going away.
Sorry dude.
Sorry dude.
There is a reason we ripped the HUDs out of all of our Alaska 700's when we got them, it doesn't pencil out. Our chief did the math and the times you can get in CATIII vs CATII is so slim that it doesn't even come close to justifing the outrageous expense to maintain those systems.
#5524
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2014
Posts: 484
The only replacements AS would be shopping for would be CRJ-700 replacements, as the ex-Horizon -700s are getting up there in age. I saw the Embraer 175 over at ASIG in SEA a few weeks ago when Chip and company brought it up from St. George to woo Brad and the fellas over on International Blvd. I'll buy that possibility.
But Q400 replacements? No way.
Horizon has the Q400 operation down to an art, and they make Alaska a lot of money. OO does not have CAT III, which is VITAL to the SEA, PDX, and GEG shuttle markets, nor RNP .1, which is becoming more and more crucial throughout the AS and QX system, especially with QX moving up into AK. When you combine the Q400's fuel burn and speed on routes under 500nm, there is nothing that can currently beat it on the numbers side, and OO--and every other RJ regional--has nothing in their arsenal that would be competitive. The Q400 isn't going away.
Sorry dude.
But Q400 replacements? No way.
Horizon has the Q400 operation down to an art, and they make Alaska a lot of money. OO does not have CAT III, which is VITAL to the SEA, PDX, and GEG shuttle markets, nor RNP .1, which is becoming more and more crucial throughout the AS and QX system, especially with QX moving up into AK. When you combine the Q400's fuel burn and speed on routes under 500nm, there is nothing that can currently beat it on the numbers side, and OO--and every other RJ regional--has nothing in their arsenal that would be competitive. The Q400 isn't going away.
Sorry dude.
#5525
I know QXers love to beat their CATIII drum but.....
There is a reason we ripped the HUDs out of all of our Alaska 700's when we got them, it doesn't pencil out. Our chief did the math and the times you can get in CATIII vs CATII is so slim that it doesn't even come close to justifing the outrageous expense to maintain those systems.
There is a reason we ripped the HUDs out of all of our Alaska 700's when we got them, it doesn't pencil out. Our chief did the math and the times you can get in CATIII vs CATII is so slim that it doesn't even come close to justifing the outrageous expense to maintain those systems.
No need to be sorry. They need to be able to compete with Delta now, the Q400, just isn't going to cut it. Also, the new mx base opening up in BOI? Coincidence? The 700's are on contract until 2018. Nobody said the Q is going to go away over night. At some point Alaska is going to have to evaluate if they want to continue operating two certificates, or cut some costs to try and fend off Delta. It's all speculation for the future, not next week.
I'm sure the BOI Mx base will serve more than the one or two AS contract CRJs that RON there...
Four years isn't a lot of time when you start examining asset replacement. 2018 will sneak up quick. I'm sure AS leadership is planning well past that date, and if new RJs will be in the mix, I'm sure the plans are being drawn up now.
OO is a good shop. Lots of good people. Applied there back in the day but a local Citation gig opened up. QX is a good place too with good people. But it comes down to efficiency and economies of scales guys. Above is the discussion and examination of it. It's why the QX RJs got contracted out, the QX Qs aren't going anywhere and will probably increase, and AS will hold its own against DL.
#5526
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2013
Posts: 611
And how many years has SkyWest flown an EMB into SEA that is only capable of CAT I approaches? Like we don't know the weather habits of the Northwest? I'd have to say we've been doing just fine without CAT III capabilities. Heck we even fly those EMBs into the US's foggiest airport, ACV.
#5530
New Hire
Joined APC: Mar 2014
Posts: 9
Ok, couple questions? I have been studying the EP&L's before class starts on Monday, and I can't figure out what these V speeds are for: 1.Vadg deploy max(wet and dry) 2. Vb 3. Mb (I assume this is the Mach version for whatever Vb is). I have never run across those V speeds before.
Also there are Vfe speeds and Vfo speeds for flaps 8 and 20. Vfe is higher than Vfo by 15kts. I know what Vfe is for but again, never ran across a Vfo speed before. What is it for? I assume you deploy flaps at or below 215 and then have to slow down to 200 with the flaps out or no..........?
Please tell me I'm not the only one or maybe I'm mildly learning deficient.
Also there are Vfe speeds and Vfo speeds for flaps 8 and 20. Vfe is higher than Vfo by 15kts. I know what Vfe is for but again, never ran across a Vfo speed before. What is it for? I assume you deploy flaps at or below 215 and then have to slow down to 200 with the flaps out or no..........?
Please tell me I'm not the only one or maybe I'm mildly learning deficient.
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