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Old 12-23-2011, 08:54 PM
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Originally Posted by rjboy
Because the pilots they represent don't want to take a huge paycut due to lost productivity. IF the rest rules were to reduce the average daily credit by 5% how long do you think it would take to get that back from the company (try forever). I don't want to work more days for the same money. Do you? At SKYW I honestly don't think we need new rest rules. I have called fatigued on multiple occasions and have never heard a word about it. We as pilots need to fight to be responsible for ourselves rather than have the man handling everything for us. The more of our authority we give to someone else, the less we are worth.
So your association was more concerned about its pilots' pay loss because it isn't strong enough to "get that back from the company"? Interesting I guess.
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Old 12-23-2011, 09:08 PM
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So your association was more concerned about its pilots' pay loss because it isn't strong enough to "get that back from the company"? Interesting I guess.
That goes to show your lack of understanding when it comes to the regional FFD business model.
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Old 12-23-2011, 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by nigelcobalt
Who would that be? Initials?
He is correct and initials are not needed. Do you plan to fact check? I’m certain that they would not want their initials on these public forums.
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Old 12-23-2011, 11:50 PM
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Originally Posted by rjboy
Because the pilots they represent don't want to take a huge paycut due to lost productivity. IF the rest rules were to reduce the average daily credit by 5% how long do you think it would take to get that back from the company (try forever). I don't want to work more days for the same money. Do you? At SKYW I honestly don't think we need new rest rules. I have called fatigued on multiple occasions and have never heard a word about it. We as pilots need to fight to be responsible for ourselves rather than have the man handling everything for us. The more of our authority we give to someone else, the less we are worth.


My pay is already down well over 5% due to the crummy pairings we keep getting from our fabulous PBS...
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Old 12-24-2011, 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by MatchPoint
He is correct and initials are not needed. Do you plan to fact check? I’m certain that they would not want their initials on these public forums.
I was just curious as to who is was as I have flown with most all of them in the past. He doesn't have to post it, its not like they were convicted of molesting some animals, they got on with great carriers and are probably proud of it. You guys are so effing uptight.
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Old 12-24-2011, 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by nigelcobalt
I was just curious as to who is was as I have flown with most all of them in the past. He doesn't have to post it, its not like they were convicted of molesting some animals, they got on with great carriers and are probably proud of it. You guys are so effing uptight.
If they wanted to make it known you'll find them posting on our internal forums, not here. As for “great carriers?” That's debatable because it's subjective; just ask many Alaska pilots what they think about their Mgmt team. But, I would agree they are good airlines.


We're not "uptight," just respectful of others privacy. Again, if they wanted it known they will tell you themselves.
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Old 12-24-2011, 01:51 PM
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My pay is already down well over 5% due to the crummy pairings we keep getting from our fabulous PBS...
You realize PBS isn't the program building the pairings, right?
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Old 12-24-2011, 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by AlphaMax
You realize PBS isn't the program building the pairings, right?
you will scream yourself hoarse trying to convince people of that fact. yes, it's true. but everyone seems to prefer complaining about pbs instead, like it's some sort of conspiracy in the program itself.
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Old 12-25-2011, 06:51 AM
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Originally Posted by rjboy
Because the pilots they represent don't want to take a huge paycut due to lost productivity. IF the rest rules were to reduce the average daily credit by 5% how long do you think it would take to get that back from the company (try forever). I don't want to work more days for the same money. Do you? At SKYW I honestly don't think we need new rest rules. I have called fatigued on multiple occasions and have never heard a word about it. We as pilots need to fight to be responsible for ourselves rather than have the man handling everything for us. The more of our authority we give to someone else, the less we are worth.
Have you even read the rules? They are not that restrictive unless your in the habit of working 14 hour duty days.

Did you keep your pay after calling in fatigued?
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Old 12-25-2011, 09:43 AM
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I'm happy that the "30 block in 7 days" rule is gone and replaced by "60 duty in 7 days" while keeping the 100 block but relaxing it to 28 days instead of 30. Now, if you can build it you can block 6 days worth of 8 hour locals (48 hours of block in less than 7 days as long as you don’t exceed 60 hours of duty, get 30 hours off somewhere and meet the rest requirements in between) for 48 hours of pay, take nine days off do it again and get 18 days off with 96 hours of credit/block or more. If you’re rested why not? The 100 hour block rule then keeps the company from abusing you.

All in all I think the new rules are very good. I expected less with the way our government works.
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