rcfd13

I honestly don't think a flow through would be a good thing, especially for anyone junior. Right now even in the first wave United has hired a few FOs and plenty of junior captains. If we had flow through then anyone at the bottom of the list would get stuck waiting in line while the senior captains decide whether to take or pass up their flow numbers.

Having no flow through gives the FOs and junior captains more of a fighting chance at getting these slots rather than waiting 10 more years at $44/hour for their flow number to come up.

Having flow also gives Skywest or other regionals too much power. When American Eagle started hurting for pilots one of the first things they did was meter their flow throughs to AA to keep pilots on property. I want the power to be able to apply to the jobs I want and be able to quit my job when I want without the company being able to tell me to wait in line.

Ultralight

Good man. Someone thinking outside the box.

MatchPoint

Guys the current E-120 cost is $20-$22 per minute, that's around $1200-$1320 an hr.

As far as the E-120 flying, they’ve been saying SLC will be reduced and close for the better part of a decade but yet it remains. We have flying out of there that the RJ can’t do and as long as those cities cover our loses, we will continue to go there. In other words, we’re not losing money we’re just not making as much as they’d like. Which means over time as they start having real issues filling seats they might dump the E120 flying in order to be able to staff their jets.

MatchPoint

It's not that they're trying to poach those already in class, they're trying to get their hands on those who are interviewing. It’s truly easy; just look for the guys/gals in suits pulling their luggage, offer them a class and there you have it. If SkyWest says no to them or the interviewee isn’t willing to wait for an answer, Mesa has a new hire.

TheFly

To all who take the bait and accept the offer (if the Mesa rumor is true), the sheer fact that these tactics are unethical should tell you a lot about who you are working for. What a bottom feeding, sleazy outfit.

rcfd13

What Mesa is doing works because Skywest isn't changing the way they do business. When I was hired it took me until I could make it to a career fair to get an interview, then after the interview I heard nothing back from them for two weeks. I called them after two weeks of not hearing anything and they told me I had the job. I'm not sure why they couldn't have called me to tell me that instead of waiting for me to call them. That way of doing business probably worked in the past because they ended up with a good pool of people who really wanted to be at Skywest.

I've talked to some current CFIs, and now especially after the ATP rule the SJS is strong. People have been building time for so long that they're willing to take any offer that comes their way. If Mesa offers to put them in class next week, and they aren't hearing back from Skywest for months most of them are going to take the Mesa class date. Almost all of my former students ended up at Republic because Skywest wasn't calling them back despite having my recommendation and ATP mins and Republic offered them an immediate interview.

I'm not sure what kind of game they're trying to play in SGU, or if they're just understaffed and don't have time to look through the applications or get back to people who have interviewed, but it's going to cost them a lot of pilots in the long run.

A lot of CFIs don't know much about the regional industry and are sick of instructing waiting for ATP mins. Of course it's sleezy but when a regional offers you a class date on the spot vs applying and waiting months for all of the others like Skywest it looks attractive to a new CFI to take the offer.

I was in the same boat at one point. I had done some research and really wanted to go to Skywest, but at the time I just wanted to get out and I felt like I would be willing to take a class date at a few other airlines (Mesa didn't make my list luckily).

SWAblue

Right?

Just when you thought it couldn't get more bizarre.

kfahmi

OK, I can see how if you came out of the OO interview having busted it, and Mesa offered you a class date on the spot, you'd take it.

And here in San Francisco, if you go to certain tech bus stops (Google, Facebook etc), you'll find recruiters from smaller tech companies literally standing at the stops trying to poach tech talent. Seen it firsthand myself.

rcfd13

Even if you don't bust it, a class date on the spot might sound more appealing to some people than waiting months for one at Skywest. That's probably one thing the Mesa recruiters are banking on. I originally interviewed in November, it took me until December to hear back and they assigned me a class date in April. Someone who doesn't want to wait 5 months to go to class may just take the Mesa class date the following week.

gearcrankr

Better yet, show up at the OO parking lot with a suitcase and get a job.
Why waste time on an application/interview? Highly doubt MAG knows who is actually scheduled to interview.