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Old 04-16-2014, 05:29 AM
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3) SLC Brasilia flying shrinking and unprofitable.


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Completely false

Let's just say, for the sake of arguments, the aircraft are paid for. Operational cost are around $500/block hour (that's a very high cost, again for sake of arguments) and fuel costs of approximately $500 an hour as well (1,000lbs, $3.50gal). $1,000/block hr divided by 25 PAX is $40 per person, per hour, to break even. Then consider the amount of subsidies those small commuties pay, or EAS contract payments, it would be hard to see SkyWest losing money on these routes.
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Old 04-16-2014, 05:36 AM
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The flow to United rumor has been thrown around for at least the last 2 years at SkyWest. It may well attract more new hires, but that will be off set by more guys leaving for United.

SkyWest is arguably the best regional to work for, but 1st year pay is terrible. To attract more pilots they, like all the other regionals, must stop trying to prolong the inevitable and get rid of the year one pay scale. If they started everyone on year 2 pay they would have no trouble filling classes, for now.
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Old 04-16-2014, 06:15 AM
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How is life on reserve for a new hire on the bro in SFO?
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Old 04-16-2014, 06:47 AM
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Originally Posted by greenpilot20
I'll be that guy...

Latest nuggets from the training center:

1) iPads aren't happening. Looks like Windows Surface tablet is.

2) Hiring dept struggling to fill classes, find applicants, etc. HR starting to sweat a bit. Mesa recruiters in parking lot rumor confirmed.

3) SLC Brasilia flying shrinking and unprofitable.

4) Working on a flow with United but apparently it wouldn't be for just us, would be for all United Express carriers. How does that benefit recruiting at OO? Evidently that's the sticking point.

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I just have to ask. If you were in a OO class, what on earth could make you want to jump to an airline that invites people to class without so much as a phone interview?? And at least to this noob, Skywest and Horizon seem like the two best regionals out there. I can't remotely imagine ditching a OO class to go to Mesa.
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Old 04-16-2014, 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by kfahmi
I just have to ask. If you were in a OO class, what on earth could make you want to jump to an airline that invites people to class without so much as a phone interview?? And at least to this noob, Skywest and Horizon seem like the two best regionals out there. I can't remotely imagine ditching a OO class to go to Mesa.
Right, valid point, but Im 3 years in at OO and nowhere close to an upgrade. I enjoy a good QOL living in base but realistically I am looking at 3+ more years before I had hope of seeing the left seat. If I lived in a Mesa base, and thought I could see the left seat in 2-3 years total, I would at least have to look into it a littler closer. Maybe TPIC won't matter in the future, but for now it still does.
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Old 04-16-2014, 07:43 AM
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Agh the good ole training center rumors..... It wouldn't be fun without them lol.
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Old 04-16-2014, 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by NVUS
Completely false

Let's just say, for the sake of arguments, the aircraft are paid for. Operational cost are around $500/block hour (that's a very high cost, again for sake of arguments) and fuel costs of approximately $500 an hour as well (1,000lbs, $3.50gal). $1,000/block hr divided by 25 PAX is $40 per person, per hour, to break even. Then consider the amount of subsidies those small commuties pay, or EAS contract payments, it would be hard to see SkyWest losing money on these routes.
Just curious if your $1K/block figure is missing anything? The recent EAS bids that skywest put in (e.g. for VEL) stated the bro was more like 1600/hr (I can't remember, exactly) to operate. Still pretty cheap considering you can haul close to 30 folks.
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Just curious if your $1K/block figure is missing anything? The recent EAS bids that skywest put in (e.g. for VEL) stated the bro was more like 1600/hr (I can't remember, exactly) to operate. Still pretty cheap considering you can haul close to 30 folks.

Sure, $1600/hr sounds right. You want to make a profit. was just running the sheer cost of breaking even.

Even at $1600/hr with an average 80% load factor of 24 people is $67 per person, per hour. That's pretty reasonable.
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Originally Posted by greenpilot20
I'll be that guy...
Working on a flow with United but apparently it wouldn't be for just us, would be for all United Express carriers. How does that benefit recruiting at OO? Evidently that's the sticking point.

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Why would that be a sticking point? I think the idea is to help staff all the UAX regionals across the board, not just a favored few.
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