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Old 01-14-2014, 07:31 AM
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I was just about to ask the same question, except I only have David Clarks. Looking into getting the lightspeed zulu, just curious if ANR is going to be important and if it would be a good idea to just buy it now.
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Old 01-14-2014, 07:42 AM
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I was just about to ask the same question, except I only have David Clarks. Looking into getting the lightspeed zulu, just curious if ANR is going to be important and if it would be a good idea to just buy it now.
The Lightspeed is great for a turbo-prop, nothing better in my opinion, but it's overkill in the jet. I use the Telex 850 in the CRJ and love it.
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Old 01-14-2014, 07:42 AM
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I see the 175s are headed to ORD. Will this mean the CRJ base closes there? Are FOs allowed to bid over from the CRJ to 175 in order to stay in base? If I make the jump I want to be ORD based, but don't want to get displaced to another base if the 175 takes over.
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Old 01-14-2014, 07:46 AM
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But at least you would be participants in the regional industry rather than blind spectators. THATS what I'm accusing you of, being blind.




So even though we fly the same equipment to some of the same bases as the other regional airlines we are blind spectators? Even though we have one of the higher end pay scales and some of the better work rules we are blind spectators? Even though in my class we had a number of mesa and pinnacle guys come to SkyWest who were talking about how much of an improvement it was, we are spectators? An ex-Mesa FO got paid more in his second year at SkyWest than he did at 4th year Mesa FO pay. We are actually a major part of the show. We are competing for the same contracts so how can you call us blind spectators? We are the ones not being asked to take pay cuts. If you want to keep racing to the bottom then maybe you're right. That is a show I'd rather be on the sidelines spectating. This place sure isn't perfect but it sure isn't as bad as PSA or Mesa or Pinnacle. I feel like this place, along with Compass or XJET, is an example of how good it could be for airlines like those. I hope some of the other airlines can look to our pay rates and say "we should work towards that." How does that not help the other pilot groups' cause to get better pay and work rules?
I'm not doing a good job explaining myself. What I'm saying is that you get what you get because the average is set by others. Since you don't have an NMB recognized bargaining agent, by definition, you are not a participant.
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Old 01-14-2014, 08:10 AM
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Originally Posted by WeHaveWhiskey
I was just about to ask the same question, except I only have David Clarks. Looking into getting the lightspeed zulu, just curious if ANR is going to be important and if it would be a good idea to just buy it now.
Thanks fellas!
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Old 01-14-2014, 08:51 AM
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While others are taking concessions the new pay package presented for a pilot vote isn't bad with some improvements like medical reimbursement, 5 Golden days ect... What are your guys thoughts?




In light of what's going on around us, I'm impressed! As a former turbo prop pilot, I am very happy for those guys getting a decent pay rate! I'd say this is a no brainer, our bar actually got raised and we don't even have ALPO...go figure...or maybe were just riding coat tails?




Yes we better thank Nevets and his ALPA for their negotiation of our pay package
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Yes we better thank Nevets and his ALPA for their negotiation of our pay package




Thank you so much Nevets!!! This Kool-Aid is for you, shipped directly from SGU
This is not raising the bar for anyone. And you are not even getting what you were already promised.

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Old 01-14-2014, 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by 3stripes
I see the 175s are headed to ORD. Will this mean the CRJ base closes there? Are FOs allowed to bid over from the CRJ to 175 in order to stay in base? If I make the jump I want to be ORD based, but don't want to get displaced to another base if the 175 takes over.
No. Just because a new aircraft comes in doesn't mean CRJ's are being pushed out. The ORD will continue to be both CRJ and 175 base.
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Old 01-14-2014, 01:31 PM
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I'm not doing a good job explaining myself. What I'm saying is that you get what you get because the average is set by others. Since you don't have an NMB recognized bargaining agent, by definition, you are not a participant.
No, you aren't explaining yourself very well. Exactly in what is a Skywest pilot not a participant?
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Old 01-14-2014, 01:35 PM
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No, you aren't explaining yourself very well. Exactly in what is a Skywest pilot not a participant?
Wasting... Uh I mean paying 2%.....
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Old 01-14-2014, 02:22 PM
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I'm not doing a good job explaining myself. What I'm saying is that you get what you get because the average is set by others. Since you don't have an NMB recognized bargaining agent, by definition, you are not a participant.




No, you aren't explaining yourself very well. Exactly in what is a Skywest pilot not a participant?
You are not exerting your right to bargain collectively and thus, with real leverage. As little as it is in the regional industry. Let me give you one example. Let's look at the last compass contract. They had the leverage to bargain for their contract with the credible threat that whatever they can't come to an agreement to, a neutral third party makes the final binding decision for the two parties, regardless of financial windfalls to one side or the other. Does your pilot leaders have the power/right to send whatever the company doesn't agree to to binding arbitration? If no, then they really are just spectators and management has just made it seem like you have some control over the interpretation of language in your work rules. You get what management decides to give you. Otherwise you would be self funded organization with no conflict of interest between the employer and the employees being funded by the employer to supposedly bargain against their financial interest when it's the employers FIDUCIARY responsibility to extract as much cost savings from the employee. Does your organization have a legal fiduciary to the pilots? No they don't. Their only responsibility is to follow the rules of the employer. They get no protections afforded federally recognized bargaining agents in executing their fiduciary responsibility to the employee because you are only at-will employees.

Without that leverage, you are just spectating whether you want to admit it or not. And I say that the fact that you deny to see it, is the reason why we are being whipsawed. You guys can help end this now.
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