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Old 12-30-2013, 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by buddies8
Skywest has a happy non-union pilot group
Non-union, yes.

Happy, not so much anymore. Happier than other regionals, most likely yes, but that's not saying much these days.

Personally I think SGU suspects that a union is inevitable and at this point is just trying to tilt as much in their favor as they can before the status-quo gets frozen the day after the vote.
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Old 12-30-2013, 08:20 PM
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Nevets you must be a blast on 4 days. Lay off already. Clearly nobody here cares.

After all the great work ALPA has done recently for Pinnacle, PSA, Eagle and XJT why would I ever vote them in? It seems like I'd be paying extra money out of my pocket for some extremely poor representation. I'd prefer not to take a paycut paying union dues just to have a concessionary contract negotiated for me and shoved down my throat with the threat of becoming 'Comair II.'
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Old 12-31-2013, 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by buddies8
Skywest has a happy non-union pilot group and management wants to keep it that way. If they really negotiate against us behind our backs they would turn us into an unhappy pilot group.


How would you know the pilot group is unhappy?
But that's precisely what I'm showing you! They are negotiating behind your back! And you wouldn't have known it until pilots were inserted into your seniority list OR someone else told you about it before then. Answer this for me, has anyone in management told you about these clauses that they negotiated in the XJT contract? I guess IF (big if) that actually happened, you would be unhappy but at that point it would be too late. Wouldn't it? Wouldn't you have liked a seat at that table to advocate solely on your behalf and taking only your interests into consideration?

What else is our CEO doing behind our backs?

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Nevets you must be a blast on 4 days. Lay off already. Clearly nobody here cares.

After all the great work ALPA has done recently for Pinnacle, PSA, Eagle and XJT why would I ever vote them in? It seems like I'd be paying extra money out of my pocket for some extremely poor representation. I'd prefer not to take a paycut paying union dues just to have a concessionary contract negotiated for me and shoved down my throat with the threat of becoming 'Comair II.'
Who said anything about ALPA? Your union is always only going to be as good as your leadership, regardless of what letters you pick to name it.

By the way, that threat is coming from OUR management. Don't be so naive that you arent just an expense line item to them either.

By the way, go ahead with your personal attacks if that's all you have. I will just ignore them since they add nothing to the discussion. It's the classic ad hominem argument.

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Old 12-31-2013, 10:08 AM
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Nevets, you are still missing the point. Who cares what you "negotiate" and get put into your toilet paper "contract"? It will never be honored, management will ensure it, even as they dangle that carrot for you as so-called protection to get you to approve the TA. Even your own pilots are worrying that the language doesn't prohibit a GoJets-style alter-ego from being created, aircraft transferred, and putting your pilots on the street, not in our cockpits.
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Old 12-31-2013, 10:13 AM
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Hey does anyone know of when the next RJ class is? I interviewed here in late December hoping to hear back soon! Interview went well so hoping for the best.. Skywest seems like a great company to be with over the competition!
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Old 12-31-2013, 10:47 AM
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Hey does anyone know of when the next RJ class is? I interviewed here in late December hoping to hear back soon! Interview went well so hoping for the best.. Skywest seems like a great company to be with over the competition!
I read Jan 27th.
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Old 12-31-2013, 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by DroopsN10
Hey does anyone know of when the next RJ class is? I interviewed here in late December hoping to hear back soon! Interview went well so hoping for the best.. Skywest seems like a great company to be with over the competition!
Indeed, end of January should be the next one, and then most likely the end of every month after that. They start Indoc for newhires the week prior to starting transition class so everyone starts systems on the same day together, and transitions typically seem to be scheduled for the first full week of the month.

Give the hiring people a few days to get through the holiday, and hopefully you should hear something soon. Good luck!
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Old 12-31-2013, 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Electra
Indeed, end of January should be the next one, and then most likely the end of every month after that. They start Indoc for newhires the week prior to starting transition class so everyone starts systems on the same day together, and transitions typically seem to be scheduled for the first full week of the month.

Give the hiring people a few days to get through the holiday, and hopefully you should hear something soon. Good luck!
Great! Thanks for the intel guys!
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Old 12-31-2013, 12:03 PM
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So does it look like continual CRJ hiring? Do they ask in the interview if you have a preference?
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Old 12-31-2013, 12:41 PM
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Nevets, you are still missing the point. Who cares what you "negotiate" and get put into your toilet paper "contract"? It will never be honored, management will ensure it, even as they dangle that carrot for you as so-called protection to get you to approve the TA. Even your own pilots are worrying that the language doesn't prohibit a GoJets-style alter-ego from being created, aircraft transferred, and putting your pilots on the street, not in our cockpits.
Like I said in a post above, this place is imploding. I'm surprised they haven't shuttered the place down already and fired BH and company. But you are missing my point. The same management that won't honor what they negotiate with us, is the same management running Skywest airlines as well. It's the same management negotiating and agreeing to terms that are not in your best interest. It doesn't matter what you or I think if management will adhere to what they negotiate. Their fiduciary responsibility is strictly to the shareholders, NOT Skywest pilots. Don't be so naive in thinking that they will not throw you under the bus if that is what they feel is ultimately in the best interest of the shareholders.

When they do finally shut this place down, they will not just let 59 700/900 aircraft go to a competitor if they can help it. And then there is the bilateral flow agreement that they will be bound to for the remaining furloughed pilots...IN YOUR COCKPITS!

By the way, we already have a de facto alter ego situation. No need for them to reinvent the wheel when THEY ALREADY HAVE TWO AIRLINES TO WHIPSAW US BOTH! And yeah, nothing in the TA requires them to change that.

I'm surprised that you can't see how things are happening around you and to you that go against your interest and yet you cling to hope that nothing bad happens when it's been happening for a while now!
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