Skywest
08-28-2013, 08:44 AM
#2891
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2009
Position: Another RJ FO
Posts: 1,272
If you want to hate us for some unknown reason then that's fine. Making blanket statements about what you think all 3200 pilots at a company believe kind of discredits your opinions though.
08-28-2013, 08:44 AM
#2892
Banned
Joined APC: May 2012
Posts: 1,071
Just let it go. Find a woman or man and be happy.
08-28-2013, 09:04 AM
#2893
Prime Minister/Moderator
Joined APC: Jan 2006
Position: Engines Turn Or People Swim
Posts: 40,057
I still laugh how you guys call it "negotiating". You don't have a union or a contract. Your lap dog student council takes whatever management gives them, then goes to you and makes it look like they put up the good fight. You're only "negotiating" if you can affect the outcome!
You don't have a pay rate on it yet because WE don't have a pay rate on it yet! DUH!
You don't have a pay rate on it yet because WE don't have a pay rate on it yet! DUH!
Skywest and their pilots have a signed contract and we periodically discuss and agree to amendments (also signed). This is a perfectly and completely legally enforceable contract, just like a contract to rent a home or buy an car...I never needed ALPA for that either.
There are two differences...
Without a union, enforcement of said contract would require a lawsuit, either by an individual pilot or some sort of class action. But based on my previous experience I'm not sure that's any worse than a union grievance process which usually dilutes the issue, drags it out for a few years and then pays you one credit hour.
SKW pilots cannot hold the threat of a strike over management's head, but the reality is that no other regional group can either. NMB (even with a labor friendly regime in DC) won't release you and even if they did most majors "spread load" their regional schedules so no single regional could lock out any one hub or destination, ala COMAIR. And even if you did, you'd wind up like COMAIR in the end.
The regional game is rigged and the funniest part is that your mainline brothers reap some of the fruits of that. They sure don't want you to make more money because the pax or management sure ain't paying for it...that means they would have to.
08-28-2013, 10:20 AM
#2894
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2008
Position: CRJ200 Capt.
Posts: 822
Actually you are 100% wrong, been drinking too much of your own brand of koolaid.
Skywest and their pilots have a signed contract and we periodically discuss and agree to amendments (also signed). This is a perfectly and completely legally enforceable contract, just like a contract to rent a home or buy an car...I never needed ALPA for that either.
There are two differences...
Without a union, enforcement of said contract would require a lawsuit, either by an individual pilot or some sort of class action. But based on my previous experience I'm not sure that's any worse than a union grievance process which usually dilutes the issue, drags it out for a few years and then pays you one credit hour.
SKW pilots cannot hold the threat of a strike over management's head, but the reality is that no other regional group can either. NMB (even with a labor friendly regime in DC) won't release you and even if they did most majors "spread load" their regional schedules so no single regional could lock out any one hub or destination, ala COMAIR. And even if you did, you'd wind up like COMAIR in the end.
The regional game is rigged and the funniest part is that your mainline brothers reap some of the fruits of that. They sure don't want you to make more money because the pax or management sure ain't paying for it...that means they would have to.
Skywest and their pilots have a signed contract and we periodically discuss and agree to amendments (also signed). This is a perfectly and completely legally enforceable contract, just like a contract to rent a home or buy an car...I never needed ALPA for that either.
There are two differences...
Without a union, enforcement of said contract would require a lawsuit, either by an individual pilot or some sort of class action. But based on my previous experience I'm not sure that's any worse than a union grievance process which usually dilutes the issue, drags it out for a few years and then pays you one credit hour.
SKW pilots cannot hold the threat of a strike over management's head, but the reality is that no other regional group can either. NMB (even with a labor friendly regime in DC) won't release you and even if they did most majors "spread load" their regional schedules so no single regional could lock out any one hub or destination, ala COMAIR. And even if you did, you'd wind up like COMAIR in the end.
The regional game is rigged and the funniest part is that your mainline brothers reap some of the fruits of that. They sure don't want you to make more money because the pax or management sure ain't paying for it...that means they would have to.
I would take SAPA over ALPA any day....Much more effective in this situation...
08-28-2013, 11:14 AM
#2895
Banned
Joined APC: May 2012
Posts: 1,071
Yes, merge ASA and ditch express... I personally love seeing L-Express pilots wearing their old "Jetlink" wings and not the new ASA wings...
08-28-2013, 11:15 AM
#2896
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2006
Position: 737
Posts: 1,136
Back to the subject at hand. Where is this supposed announcement of DEN and SFO for the 175? I don't see anything on SWOL about it.
08-28-2013, 11:21 AM
#2898
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Joined APC: Aug 2010
Position: Right Seat Spouse
Posts: 452
This piece of writing just popped up on my computer. Popped it in this thread due to the photo.
This just doesn't fly: Some airline pilots barely make living wage - NBC News.com
This just doesn't fly: Some airline pilots barely make living wage - NBC News.com
08-28-2013, 12:12 PM
#2899
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Joined APC: Jul 2006
Position: 737
Posts: 1,136
This piece of writing just popped up on my computer. Popped it in this thread due to the photo.
This just doesn't fly: Some airline pilots barely make living wage - NBC News.com
This just doesn't fly: Some airline pilots barely make living wage - NBC News.com
08-28-2013, 12:19 PM
#2900
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2009
Position: Another RJ FO
Posts: 1,272
It's in Chip's portion of the Insight that came out yesterday. He calls SFO and DEN 'hubs' though instead of 'domiciles.' I guess that has a bunch of people anxious about whether that's a typo or means something different than domicile.
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