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Old 01-29-2013, 06:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Slats
Yes but how profitable will a 40 crj900 fleet be?
You really believe pinnacle will only get 40 900s for a total of 81? I think the additional 30 will magically appear on property thus making 9E a 111 900 fleet. You can't argue with the costing.
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Old 01-29-2013, 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Wasatch Phantom
From the SKYW 10K:
The Delta Connection Agreements also provide that, beginning with the fifth anniversary of the execution of the agreements (September 8, 2010), Delta has the right to require that certain contractual rates under those agreements shall not exceed the second lowest of all carriers within the Delta Connection program. During the fourth quarter of 2010, SkyWest Airlines and Atlantic Southeast reached an agreement with Delta on contractual rates satisfying the 2010 rate reset provision and the second-lowest rate provision and agreed to rates through December 31, 2015. Delta additionally waived its right to require that the contractual rates payable under the Delta Connection Agreements shall not exceed the second-lowest rates of all carriers within the Delta Connection program through December 31, 2015.

The way I read this (disclaimer: no legal training) on January 1, 2016 the existing agreement ends. SKYW can either match the second lowest rate and continue to be a DAL Connection Carrier, or perhaps negotiate something else. A big part of the contract is the rate. If SKYW can't (or won't) match it, I see the contract as ending. Why would Delta want to pay more?

Richard Anderson, Delta's CEO, is a tough negotiator who doesn't like to pay a nickel more for something than he absolutely has to (and he probably loses a little sleep questioning that last nickel).

Just look at the recent aircraft purchases. A bunch of used MD-90's that Delta is buying for cheap and the Boeing 717's that are coming from SWA at supposedly ridiculously low lease rates. Just last week there was a WSJ article about Delta trying to negotiate the purchase of some new deeply discounted current generation B-737's or A-320's...
That's just how i read it and is just what I said. DAL can adjust rates they pay SKW but not outright cancel contracts,
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Old 01-29-2013, 10:24 AM
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That's just how i read it and is just what I said. DAL can adjust rates they pay SKW but not outright cancel contracts,
I think they can cancel them. But my interpretation could be wrong.


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FYI, this is straight out of the Skywest Inc 2011 10K:

The SkyWest Airlines Delta Connection Agreement is subject to early termination in various circumstances, including:

• if SkyWest Airlines or Delta commits a material breach of the SkyWest Airlines Delta Connection Agreement, subject to 30-day notice and cure rights;

• if SkyWest Airlines fails to conduct all flight operations and maintain all aircraft under the SkyWest Airlines Delta Connection Agreement in compliance in all material respects with applicable government regulations;

• if SkyWest Airlines fails to satisfy certain performance and safety requirements;

• if, under certain circumstances, Delta has a right to terminate the ExpressJet Delta Connection Agreement;

• if the other party files for bankruptcy, reorganization or similar action (subject to limitations imposed by the U.S. Bankruptcy Code) or if either party makes an assignment for the benefit of creditors; or

if SkyWest Airlines fails to maintain competitive base rate costs (provided that SkyWest Airlines has the right to adjust its rates prior to any such termination).


The agreement for ExpressJet DCI flying is identical.
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Old 01-29-2013, 11:17 AM
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Man, this sounds like a death spiral / race to the bottom. For your guys sake I hope regionals as a whole find a way to increase their rates so you guys can earn livable wages. Yeah, I know, puff puff give, puff puff give.....
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Old 01-29-2013, 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
I think they can cancel them. But my interpretation could be wrong.
If it happens it'll suck until then it's business as usual. However with 9Es new CEO, they may not be around long enough to have an impact. Gumm'ers at the helm.
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Old 01-29-2013, 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Flys135s
Man, this sounds like a death spiral / race to the bottom. For your guys sake I hope regionals as a whole find a way to increase their rates so you guys can earn livable wages. Yeah, I know, puff puff give, puff puff give.....
I find it ironic that we call it a race to the bottom when our industry was created on being the bottom. We are subcontractors so anyone who tries to claw their way to respectable compensation will be replaced by lower cost subcontractors. That's the industry the regionals operate in; we need to understand that because it will never change. Mainline needs feed and you can’t fault them for playing the game in order to keep the cost of their feed as low as possible.
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Old 01-29-2013, 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by MatchPoint
I find it ironic that we call it a race to the bottom when our industry was created on being the bottom. We are subcontractors so anyone who tries to claw their way to respectable compensation will be replaced by lower cost subcontractors. That's the industry the regionals operate in; we need to understand that because it will never change. Mainline needs feed and you can’t fault them for playing the game in order to keep the cost of their feed as low as possible.
Exactly. Who cares about this or any other regional
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Old 01-29-2013, 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted by MatchPoint
I find it ironic that we call it a race to the bottom when our industry was created on being the bottom. We are subcontractors so anyone who tries to claw their way to respectable compensation will be replaced by lower cost subcontractors. That's the industry the regionals operate in; we need to understand that because it will never change. Mainline needs feed and you can’t fault them for playing the game in order to keep the cost of their feed as low as possible.




So safety, quality, and performance make no difference in the equation whatsoever?
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Old 01-29-2013, 11:43 PM
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So safety, quality, and performance make no difference in the equation whatsoever?
We shall see.
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Old 01-30-2013, 04:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Paid2fly
So safety, quality, and performance make no difference in the equation whatsoever?
As far as the performance part,using CRJ's that hit MZFW or kicking off pax/denying jumpseaters because you have an alternate and 60 bags, then I guess not .
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