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02-11-2016, 11:18 AM
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True, but *how* it accomplishes that is entirely up to PBS. With the NavTech software, the process by which it would do that is dictated by the order you have those lines, "redo from" loops, etc. That order allows you to prioritize the possible solutions according to your priorities, not the company's.
My job is not staffing. I show up and do my job. But because the company can't do theirs, we all get screwed. And this crappy pbs system we have is just a result of that.
02-11-2016, 11:22 AM
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Yeah, well, a real contract could fix a lot of that.
Today is literally my 2nd day of messing with SKW's PBS, I'm sure some of the differences will fade away as I get more familiar with how it works.
Today is literally my 2nd day of messing with SKW's PBS, I'm sure some of the differences will fade away as I get more familiar with how it works.
02-11-2016, 11:22 AM
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02-11-2016, 12:04 PM
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if you guys are smart, you'll put that guy (Blackwing) on your PBS committee!
One thing about PBS is it doesn't suck on its own... when people talk about PBS sucking.. they're referring to the work rules and their "contract" with the company as it relates to what you can and can't bid and do.
PBS is a good productivity tool and beneficial to pilots. As someone who had to deal with "paper lines" for years I can tell you the alternative isn't that great.
One thing about PBS is it doesn't suck on its own... when people talk about PBS sucking.. they're referring to the work rules and their "contract" with the company as it relates to what you can and can't bid and do.
PBS is a good productivity tool and beneficial to pilots. As someone who had to deal with "paper lines" for years I can tell you the alternative isn't that great.
02-11-2016, 12:13 PM
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if you guys are smart, you'll put that guy (Blackwing) on your PBS committee!
One thing about PBS is it doesn't suck on its own... when people talk about PBS sucking.. they're referring to the work rules and their "contract" with the company as it relates to what you can and can't bid and do.
PBS is a good productivity tool and beneficial to pilots. As someone who had to deal with "paper lines" for years I can tell you the alternative isn't that great.
One thing about PBS is it doesn't suck on its own... when people talk about PBS sucking.. they're referring to the work rules and their "contract" with the company as it relates to what you can and can't bid and do.
PBS is a good productivity tool and beneficial to pilots. As someone who had to deal with "paper lines" for years I can tell you the alternative isn't that great.
Preassignments kill any benefits pbs may have vs hard lines IMO
and besides, what we have is a student council. our pbs is never going away without a union. we can do so much flying with so few people and even less reserves. yay work rules /s
the company can do too much with us because of our PBS and lack of work rules (and most importantly, the globalization deal).
02-11-2016, 12:24 PM
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if you guys are smart, you'll put that guy (Blackwing) on your PBS committee!
One thing about PBS is it doesn't suck on its own... when people talk about PBS sucking.. they're referring to the work rules and their "contract" with the company as it relates to what you can and can't bid and do.
PBS is a good productivity tool and beneficial to pilots. As someone who had to deal with "paper lines" for years I can tell you the alternative isn't that great.
One thing about PBS is it doesn't suck on its own... when people talk about PBS sucking.. they're referring to the work rules and their "contract" with the company as it relates to what you can and can't bid and do.
PBS is a good productivity tool and beneficial to pilots. As someone who had to deal with "paper lines" for years I can tell you the alternative isn't that great.
02-11-2016, 12:55 PM
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PBS is not always beneficial to pilots. that's why any major that hasn't gone through a bankruptcy is still on hard lines.
Preassignments kill any benefits pbs may have vs hard lines IMO
and besides, what we have is a student council. our pbs is never going away without a union. we can do so much flying with so few people and even less reserves. yay work rules /s
the company can do too much with us because of our PBS and lack of work rules (and most importantly, the globalization deal).
Preassignments kill any benefits pbs may have vs hard lines IMO
and besides, what we have is a student council. our pbs is never going away without a union. we can do so much flying with so few people and even less reserves. yay work rules /s
the company can do too much with us because of our PBS and lack of work rules (and most importantly, the globalization deal).
Globalization is what kills our seniority, not PBS training. I love how TC laid it all out for TG and MT about how PBS is not working and getting worse. The fact that all that work he put into his presentation and it fell on deaf ears should tell you how much they care about PBS violating seniority.
02-11-2016, 01:50 PM
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Globalization is what kills our seniority, not PBS training. I love how TC laid it all out for TG and MT about how PBS is not working and getting worse. The fact that all that work he put into his presentation and it fell on deaf ears should tell you how much they care about PBS violating seniority.
The only way this stuff gets resolved is if pilots force it to be resolved. Until we get organized, legally backed representation, and not the company paid for mouthpiece (SAPA) nothing will change, so might as well grab your ankles and get used to it.
Anybody care to comment on the newest proposal being bandied about by the student counsel of giving up current scope by letting pilots not on our seniority list do our flying in our airplanes?
02-11-2016, 01:57 PM
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Of course management doesnt't give two ships about honoring seniority. Why should they? It doesn't affect them in the slightest bit. It serves their purposes to blatantly violate it as they see fit. So why would they have any reason to listen to TC?
The only way this stuff gets resolved is if pilots force it to be resolved. Until we get organized, legally backed representation, and not the company paid for mouthpiece (SAPA) nothing will change, so might as well grab your ankles and get used to it.
Anybody care to comment on the newest proposal being bandied about by the student counsel of giving up current scope by letting pilots not on our seniority list do our flying in our airplanes?
The only way this stuff gets resolved is if pilots force it to be resolved. Until we get organized, legally backed representation, and not the company paid for mouthpiece (SAPA) nothing will change, so might as well grab your ankles and get used to it.
Anybody care to comment on the newest proposal being bandied about by the student counsel of giving up current scope by letting pilots not on our seniority list do our flying in our airplanes?
02-11-2016, 02:24 PM
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I stopped reading the SAPA forums officially after that thread. That's the one that sent me over the edge, the fact we have pilots here who think that is a good idea scares me.
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