WesternSkies

The lifers crying about first year guys getting a bump in pay to bring them in-line with the rest of the longevity scale makes me cringe. Any guy making 100k who wants to hold a guy making 20k back from being made flush with the scale is a pea-wit. Take a good long sit in front of a mirror to see if they can babble this embarrassment with a straight face.

I'm a no vote, but not because company threatens to bring pilots who have been the most egregiously under paid to *almost* in-line with the rest of our scale.

The lame brain M.P. keeps calling them "the not yet hireds". These people, our fellow company pilots *are* hired and they *are* here flying for an entire year on that pay.

turboflyin

It's disgusting isn't it? I lurked on the SAPA forums and just had to shake my head. The "Why are first year guys worth X dollars more than me" threads just make me cringe. Nobody flying an airplane full of people should be making $22k/yr.

Honestly I wish the company would just raise first year pay so those guys can at least pay the rent, and then worry about the rest of us. But I've realized in this industry it's more of a "What's in it for me?" mentality, rather than helping the guy next to you.

I'm a NO vote, but I'd be happy to see first year go to $30+/hr right now, which is where it should have been a decade ago.

Cazadores

Do you mind sharing what in this deal makes you a "no" vote?

ClickClickBoom

Because the company wants it so bad. They want it so bad, they changed the SAPA Bylaws, to include voting for the pay proposal to day one on property. But to be fair, SAPA is paid for 100% by the company, and as such has the company's best interests at heart.

Nevets

Management is able to change SAPA by-laws? Do by-law changes go to a vote?

ClickClickBoom

Yup, via secret SAPA vote that we hear about after the fact. SKYW spends more than $1,000,000 a year to run SAPA, they are getting their moneys worth....

disillusioned

If you haven't realized the company plays on our emotions to take care of each other yet, I don't know what to tell you. How many of us were okay taking less money last pay package because the Bro drivers were finally getting what they deserved?

I don't care at all about paying the new guys. Just because I made $22 my first year, I don't think everyone else needs to. The consensus in my opinion is, You need to raise first year pay to get guys in the door, what about the guys that have been making the company money over the last 25-30 years? It makes me sick to see JP say that we can just work with the company outside the pay negotiations for things like PBS improvements and such. BS!! We can't even get the company to do things they have already agreed to do. The negativity you are experiencing is a build up of years of broken promises.

Nevets

Secret? So SAPA's constituents don't know ahead of time when SAPA is going to vote on a by-law change?

disillusioned

Pilots vote on pay and on reps from their region. The 19 reps are supposed to vote based on what their region wants. The only problem is there is never any communication about what is being voted on so we can contact our reps to voice our opinion. SAPA is way to quick with "gives" to the company to help align the policy with what the company is doing. Usually to the detriment of the pilots.

But anything the pilots want, even if it is mutually beneficial, is pushed aside or we are told there is no time or resources. (Virtual domiciles, reserve proffering, trip stacking)

clearprop

This needs to be talked about more. Unfreaking believable that they did this.