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07-20-2015, 07:36 PM
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Block hours will be reduced. Old contracts will expire. 50 and 70 seat aircraft will slowly go to the desert. They will be replaced with 76 seat aircraft, and not on a 1:1 basis. It's only logical. They don't have to ask for a reduction of block hours, they are coming regardless. Only if another regional fails to uphold their contract, or fades off into the sunset, there will be no reason for block hours to go up.
07-20-2015, 07:45 PM
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Block hours will be reduced. Old contracts will expire. 50 and 70 seat aircraft will slowly go to the desert. They will be replaced with 76 seat aircraft, and not on a 1:1 basis. It's only logical. They don't have to ask for a reduction of block hours, they are coming regardless. Only if another regional fails to uphold their contract, or fades off into the sunset, there will be no reason for block hours to go up.
07-20-2015, 08:22 PM
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Block hours will be reduced. Old contracts will expire. 50 and 70 seat aircraft will slowly go to the desert. They will be replaced with 76 seat aircraft, and not on a 1:1 basis. It's only logical. They don't have to ask for a reduction of block hours, they are coming regardless. Only if another regional fails to uphold their contract, or fades off into the sunset, there will be no reason for block hours to go up.
Yep. But we already have 30% of our pilots that thought the first pay offer was the best we could do. Nobody wants to stop the slow bleeding.
07-21-2015, 03:33 AM
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Sorry the scheduling relief I was referring to with Delta and United was regarding flight times, not block hour reduction. We were "told" that with the new Jeppsen software had given some recommendation to Delta and United and they were going to make some adjustments to the schedules they gave us to help out. Again, refer to my earlier statement, that it could be complete BS but that is what SAPA was told.
I heard ya. And maybe my answer will make more sense after September
07-21-2015, 06:53 AM
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You made a good point earlier about the company not intending to actually pay out on anything they agree to (like the raise for the EMB guys) That got me thinking that they have already went to Delta and United on some scheduling relief. This is supposed to go into effect in Oct. I have a hard time accepting that it's coincidence that is the same time our MTD increase goes into effect if the pay package is approved. And the scheduling liaison is supposed to start in August, but the vote doesn't even end until the 7th.
All this leads me to believe that they know the schedules will get more efficient with the new software and help from Delta and United. So we are supposed to vote in a crappy monetary increase for QOL stuff they are already going to be doing. Plus last year we saw an 8% decrease in block hours from August to September. This combined with people getting through IOE should increase our reserve staffing. Company is pushing this so hard right now because they have already been advertising the higher first year wage and they know there is scheduling relief already around the corner with lower block hours.
Additionally, all this new 4:1 already has the "originally scheduled" caveat. They know the money will be saved on making it even more difficult for reserves to break guarantee. But again, this package is just to convince another 15% to accept it to get the 51%. Hopefully everyone is seeing that there are really no gains in this proposal.
All this leads me to believe that they know the schedules will get more efficient with the new software and help from Delta and United. So we are supposed to vote in a crappy monetary increase for QOL stuff they are already going to be doing. Plus last year we saw an 8% decrease in block hours from August to September. This combined with people getting through IOE should increase our reserve staffing. Company is pushing this so hard right now because they have already been advertising the higher first year wage and they know there is scheduling relief already around the corner with lower block hours.
Additionally, all this new 4:1 already has the "originally scheduled" caveat. They know the money will be saved on making it even more difficult for reserves to break guarantee. But again, this package is just to convince another 15% to accept it to get the 51%. Hopefully everyone is seeing that there are really no gains in this proposal.
Last edited by Macondo; 07-21-2015 at 07:07 AM.
07-21-2015, 08:57 AM
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So if you were a pilot, would you vote for a small pay increase when you know that things will be slowing down and your "QOL" negotiated items won't mean as much?
When I first started, I wasn't able to vote on the pay package because I was still in training or probation, I can't remember. Now we are told that pilots that are in training can vote for a pay package that is geared towards increases for them. Hopefully enough will see that first year gain isn't worth locking into a contract for 3 years. (Most likely 4 since there will be no reason to do it earlier as we have proven)
I just had a couple legs cancel on my last trip. By my estimates, I lost about 2% of my trip (about 40 minutes) because I was only paid credit instead of block for the cancels. I know there are regionals out there (union ones even) that are not paid for cancels. But we are nickel and dimed to death around here to save a buck. If you catch it and call them on it, sometimes it will get fixed. But seems like it's a poor way to treat your employees.
When I first started, I wasn't able to vote on the pay package because I was still in training or probation, I can't remember. Now we are told that pilots that are in training can vote for a pay package that is geared towards increases for them. Hopefully enough will see that first year gain isn't worth locking into a contract for 3 years. (Most likely 4 since there will be no reason to do it earlier as we have proven)
I just had a couple legs cancel on my last trip. By my estimates, I lost about 2% of my trip (about 40 minutes) because I was only paid credit instead of block for the cancels. I know there are regionals out there (union ones even) that are not paid for cancels. But we are nickel and dimed to death around here to save a buck. If you catch it and call them on it, sometimes it will get fixed. But seems like it's a poor way to treat your employees.
07-21-2015, 09:33 AM
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Two legs cancelling cost you 40 minutes? You must be flying the long hauls.
07-21-2015, 09:40 AM
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I have a 27 hour 4 day next month that blocks 29 hours.
Guess how much I'll end up making? 27 of course.
aka I already lost 2 hours because of "historical credit"
you can climb at 250 and cruise at .70 all day, it's not easy to pink legs that don't touch sfo/ord/iah
07-21-2015, 10:00 AM
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either way he's right, it shouldn't be that way.
I have a 27 hour 4 day next month that blocks 29 hours.
Guess how much I'll end up making? 27 of course.
aka I already lost 2 hours because of "historical credit"
you can climb at 250 and cruise at .70 all day, it's not easy to pink legs that don't touch sfo/ord/iah
I have a 27 hour 4 day next month that blocks 29 hours.
Guess how much I'll end up making? 27 of course.
aka I already lost 2 hours because of "historical credit"
you can climb at 250 and cruise at .70 all day, it's not easy to pink legs that don't touch sfo/ord/iah
07-21-2015, 10:17 AM
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Things like this need to be considered when we try to tell everyone we are the highest paid regional. Add in insurance costs and lower 401k, vacation accrual and soft time at the 200 rate, we are NOT the highest paid regional despite the fancy charts we like to throw around.
Last edited by disillusioned; 07-21-2015 at 10:31 AM. Reason: realized I was losing more money
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