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Old 06-17-2015, 08:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Crazy Canuck
FWIW, when I was a fairly jr line holder I would bid EXTREMELY generally. Almost to the point of not even considering it a bid. I feel like I generally got a better schedule because of it. The trick is to the percentage of trips available to you by layer 7 to be greater than your bidding percentage.

As I rise up the seniority pole I've started bidding specific pairings in layer 1 and 2, and then general parameters in the other layers. Starting by being very restrictive, and gradually becoming less so.
FWIW, everybody I've talked to that's a supposed PBS authority at the company (help line, SAPA forums) says this isn't true.

There really is no direct relation between your seniority percentage and the trips available percentage in PBS. Of course there is some correlation between the two, but there is not direct relationship. It's flawed logic to try to "match" your seniority percentage and the percentage of available parings. This is simply because your preferences could very well be the complete opposite of the next persons, ending up with completely different available pairing pools, but with the same exact percentage. You just don't know what other people's bidding preferences are. A crude example would be, I bid for 50% of the available parings, but you bid for the other 50%. We both bid 50% of the parings, but have completely different pools.

Again, this is simply what I've been told the the company PBS "experts".

With all that said, I agree that by layer 7 any person (especially Jr.) would want to have the highest percentage of available pairings available for PBS to choose from. The higher the percentage = casting a wider net.
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Old 06-17-2015, 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by SMACFUM
FWIW, everybody I've talked to that's a supposed PBS authority at the company (help line, SAPA forums) says this isn't true.

There really is no direct relation between your seniority percentage and the trips available percentage in PBS. Of course there is some correlation between the two, but there is not direct relationship. It's flawed logic to try to "match" your seniority percentage and the percentage of available parings. This is simply because your preferences could very well be the complete opposite of the next persons, ending up with completely different available pairing pools, but with the same exact percentage. You just don't know what other people's bidding preferences are. A crude example would be, I bid for 50% of the available parings, but you bid for the other 50%. We both bid 50% of the parings, but have completely different pools.

Again, this is simply what I've been told the the company PBS "experts".

With all that said, I agree that by layer 7 any person (especially Jr.) would want to have the highest percentage of available pairings available for PBS to choose from. The higher the percentage = casting a wider net.
This is correct. That thumbrule has no mathematical basis and is 100% dependent on what your seniors bid for. At a large base, the thumbrule might be a close enough approximation to be useful occasionally but past performance does not predict future success in this case. If things change (even temporarily, like the holiday season) people might not bid the same way they did last month.

At a small base, you're much better off asking around to get a sense for what your seniors will bid rather than using this thumbrule.
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Old 06-17-2015, 11:16 AM
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Anybody care to shed some light on getting started at a new base in terms of accommodation setup etc.

So scenario is you complete all your training at Denver and are assigned ORD as a base.

You need an apartment as you have no family there, need a car there but also need the time to set yourself up plus any other teething issues.

As a new hire about to go through this I'm keen to hear what others did.

Thanks in advance.
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Old 06-17-2015, 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Egg320
Anybody care to shed some light on getting started at a new base in terms of accommodation setup etc.

So scenario is you complete all your training at Denver and are assigned ORD as a base.

You need an apartment as you have no family there, need a car there but also need the time to set yourself up plus any other teething issues.

As a new hire about to go through this I'm keen to hear what others did.

Thanks in advance.
I would use sapa forums to look under housing or ask someone on here for crash pad info. Chicago has a very good train system and many people don't even have cars. Blue line runs from downtown straight into ORD.I'd get a crash pad near a train and use that for a month or however long it takes you to find a long term place. It's around 180-250$ a month and usually have very little commitment. Good luck
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Old 06-17-2015, 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by NVUS
Maybe the 10 United bought will go to Expressjet. Hard to say. But I dont believe any of this will be new flying. Lately everything has been a this-for-that deal.

The only way I believe they go to xjt is if they dangle it as a carrot during a TA ratification vote. UAL has options for 175s so they can exercise 18 of them and award them to whoever they want.
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Old 06-17-2015, 03:15 PM
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You'd need a lot more than 10 planes to justify starting a program, why wouldn't those planes not come to skywest who already have a program and no issues staffing? I don't mean to knock on xjt but to me it doesn't make sense
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Old 06-17-2015, 10:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Squallrider
You'd need a lot more than 10 planes to justify starting a program, why wouldn't those planes not come to skywest who already have a program and no issues staffing? I don't mean to knock on xjt but to me it doesn't make sense

Probably, but keep in mind that there are 18 more on top of the 10.
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Old 06-18-2015, 01:10 AM
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Originally Posted by saxman66
You'll get better guidance in the SAPA forums. Also you can call the help line during the bid process for help. They have always helped me out. Bid for trips you want. Even being junior, if no one else senior bids that specific pairing, it's yours. You may not get that 27 hour four day, but if you want to see your cousin in Des Moines you just might that trip.


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What "27 hour four day"?
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Old 06-18-2015, 05:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Paid2fly
What "27 hour four day"?
I fly at least one of them a month
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Old 06-18-2015, 01:34 PM
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what does PL and P1 mean in PBS.. Founder underneath the listing . looks like dead heads?
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