Yakattack

I don't know. Boredom I guess. Slow day in my own forum. Desire to b*tch about something (because there isn't a lot otherwise).

Yakattack

I was there 10+, 50% in base as a CA when I left. Four-day trips were the norm. Believe me, I hated them enough that if I could have found a way not to do them, I would have.

rickair7777

That was my experience, but a few years ago. I either commuted or had a long drive, so I didn't mind 4-days.

Rama

What does the contract require for pilots who quit before 5 years?

trip

80K, yes not kidding. Cheerleaders incoming shortly to proclaim it's no big deal.

ImSoSuss

I think the point is that it is going to take you 5 years to move on anyway in this and most likely the foreseeable future's hiring environment so it is not as determinental as you think. I can guarantee you those who rejected the contract 6 months ago are most likely regretting it right now. Going to take then a lot longer then 5 years to get to their forever jobs now.

Rama

The forseable future may or may not extend to 5 years. 2 years was typical for past deals, 5 is way put of line IMHO.
Perhaps pro-rating would be fair, but I can see why people are upset about this.
There is predicted to be considerable growth in the future as has been in the post covid market.
Passenger desires are changing looking for more premium seats and the legacies offer basic service class similar to ULCC's while having good credit card and miles programs. One of the big things holding back growth is the lack of/behind schedule future deliveries of aircraft.

ImSoSuss

Two years to move on from a Regional to a Major was a short post-COVID blip in the history of Airline hiring that we will probably never see again, at least in our careers. You had max retirements combined with the fact that the Majors cut too many pilots during COVID combined with the unexpected fast rebound in travel. Each Legacy was hiring 2000 a year combined with all the other Majors (to include ULCCs) hiring at max rate. It took all of that to hire 2000 hour TT regional FOs without a degree.


Consider the environment right now. Most of the Majors have stopped hiring with even one furloughing and a couple others on the verge of it. All three Legacies have, or soon will, reduce their 2025 hiring numbers. The Boeing strike is, and it is not even a question anymore, to delay AC delivery further. What do you see that makes you think things are going to get better in the near future?


Look, you can do whatever you want. I couldn’t care less. But if somebody asks me for my advice, it would be that if you have a class date with a Regional right now and sign a 5-year contract you are much more likely to get to your forever job before somebody who doesn’t. The only CAVEAT would be if that somebody has a sweet Part 91/135 job lined up where they would get some quality TPIC time eventually. Or somebody who has Military flying time.

HazyIPA

Also consider that Spirit is basically a paper cut away from going out of business entirely. That's something like 3,000 pilots with ATPs and type ratings about to be looking for a new company to call home.

Dash 8 Q400

A lot of us remember being asked to pay for training back in the early to mid 90s. Things got quiet, as they always do in this industry, and pilot's lined up. Some of us did not and waited. The thing is it's just another play by management taking advantage and convincing pilots it's justified. It's not! If we stopped selling ourselves out, and each other, it would stop. It won't though. One could go back to B scale of the 90s where AA convinced it pilot's to join on a much lesser scale to get that major airline job. I knew one, joined as an FE, $2000 a month and lived in his parents basement. He still justifies it to this day as do those pesky guys who crossed the picket lines in the 80s.

Anyone that that tells anyone to sign anything that beholdens you to a company for the tune of $80,000 dollars is either a recruiter or a bookie! Just say no!

We share information here much more than the old days but nothings changed. We are mostly unionized but our unions keep selling us out, why?