Talk about a forced diversion
08-12-2024, 08:12 PM
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Jackson Hole is probably a Special Airport that requires a checkout and sign off by a Check Airman before a Captain can land there. Maybe the Captain was new and was on a reserve call out. After getting airborne, he realized that he didn't have the formal approval to land there. It's just a guess on my part.
08-13-2024, 05:36 AM
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Jackson Hole is probably a Special Airport that requires a checkout and sign off by a Check Airman before a Captain can land there. Maybe the Captain was new and was on a reserve call out. After getting airborne, he realized that he didn't have the formal approval to land there. It's just a guess on my part.
But according to the article's author, "a scheduling error seems unlikely" so this cannot be the simple answer 🙄
08-13-2024, 06:49 AM
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“Ladies and gentlemen. We’ve started an emergency descent because we are on fire. You’re going to burn. Please follow all instructions from the flight attendants. Thank you.”
08-14-2024, 04:29 PM
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Jackson Hole is probably a Special Airport that requires a checkout and sign off by a Check Airman before a Captain can land there. Maybe the Captain was new and was on a reserve call out. After getting airborne, he realized that he didn't have the formal approval to land there. It's just a guess on my part.
08-14-2024, 09:52 PM
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probably something as simple as a 22 year old high school dropout who now works in HDQ and doesn't really comprehend what they are doing just clicks "enter" and sends the young inexperienced CA into an area he wasn't qualified. Don't worry. No one at hdq will take the hit.
08-15-2024, 05:28 AM
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08-15-2024, 05:01 PM
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No IFR WX for Jackson Hole during that time.
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JAC is a special airport qualification. I'm not sure what the OO requirements are for PIC for this airport.
08-16-2024, 09:19 PM
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I remember doing my JAC qualification as a new CA at OO. You just need to go there with an LCA and do a supervised entry...
08-18-2024, 07:03 PM
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My guess junior CA on SFO reserve, maybe hot reserve, gets short notice call out and didn't get to review the docs until cruise flight. Actually sounds like they got all the way to JAC, so he probably figured it out while setting up for the arrival. Better late than never I guess.
If JAC flights aren't normally crewed out of SFO, they might be hit and miss for getting those guys qualed up and it might not be something they normally even think about?
Did OO ever try to send me somewhere that the crew or plane wasn't right for? Yup. Did DX catch it? Nope.
If JAC flights aren't normally crewed out of SFO, they might be hit and miss for getting those guys qualed up and it might not be something they normally even think about?
Did OO ever try to send me somewhere that the crew or plane wasn't right for? Yup. Did DX catch it? Nope.
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