Originally Posted by Hotrefuel

I know a currently class has all but two people in the class not sign the contract. One's a direct entry captain. It seems like the classes are full of contract signers.

Originally Posted by Hotrefuel

I know a currently class has all but two people in the class not sign the contract. One's a direct entry captain. It seems like the classes are full of contract signers.

Originally Posted by FlyGuy2021

I think the furloughs from the other majors and cargo ops along with the military hires will cover the majority of the mainline hires for the next bit. Let's face it, if Delta/United/American/Southwest aren't making money with every seat full, there is no way that Spirit, JetBlue, or Frontier can survive in their current form. There will be thousands of pilots cut and dumped on the street for the legacies to pick up.

By the time that things really start going again, the output in the pilot training pipeline of student pilots will be nearly double what it is right now. The experienced regional pilots will start getting hired at the legacies again, but it will never be like it has for the last few years again.

Here's another thing for you - do you think that there will be any regionals a year from now that don't have a training contract that is enforcable? Massive loans disguised as training contracts that will be due if someone leaves? That will be the new industry standard going forward.

Regional signing bonuses are almost all gone now. The few remaining airlines that are offering them will be staffed in the next 6 months and all of those bonuses will be gone. Regionals will have much better qualified pilots to start hiring (previous 91k or 135 pilots) so those straight out of flight school with 1500 hours will have a hard time getting hired at a regional again.

Even when airbus and boeing start building airplanes quickly again, Delta and United will be start parking their older aircraft. United's fleet is ridiculously old right now and nearly 1/3 will be parked in the coming years. 250 of United's airplanes will be over 30 years old before their big retirement wave really starts to hit.

Originally Posted by Cujo665

Air Wiskey is hiring
CommutAir is hiring
PSA is hiring
albeit at reduced rates that are more like the early 2000's.

Currently 121 eligible and whats being hired are not the same. There will be competition again for the slots. Higher time, higher education, better experience will all play a role again. The employment contracts with non-competes were blocked by the FTC a few months ago. They did not say if the ruling applies to the RLA industry. There is a high likelyhood that the contracts will be ruled invalid under the FTC, and the simple legal principle of duress. Sign it or no job.

Originally Posted by FlyGuy2021

I think the furloughs from the other majors and cargo ops along with the military hires will cover the majority of the mainline hires for the next bit. Let's face it, if Delta/United/American/Southwest aren't making money with every seat full, there is no way that Spirit, JetBlue, or Frontier can survive in their current form. There will be thousands of pilots cut and dumped on the street for the legacies to pick up.

By the time that things really start going again, the output in the pilot training pipeline of student pilots will be nearly double what it is right now. The experienced regional pilots will start getting hired at the legacies again, but it will never be like it has for the last few years again.

Here's another thing for you - do you think that there will be any regionals a year from now that don't have a training contract that is enforcable? Massive loans disguised as training contracts that will be due if someone leaves? That will be the new industry standard going forward.

Regional signing bonuses are almost all gone now. The few remaining airlines that are offering them will be staffed in the next 6 months and all of those bonuses will be gone. Regionals will have much better qualified pilots to start hiring (previous 91k or 135 pilots) so those straight out of flight school with 1500 hours will have a hard time getting hired at a regional again.

Even when airbus and boeing start building airplanes quickly again, Delta and United will be start parking their older aircraft. United's fleet is ridiculously old right now and nearly 1/3 will be parked in the coming years. 250 of United's airplanes will be over 30 years old before their big retirement wave really starts to hit.

Originally Posted by Ppaas

Anyone who signs the contract is pathetic imo. The only reason one would sign it is because they need an edge over someone else because theyre resume is lacking. Cant wait to hear how skywest goes after one of them once they fail out pf training and are on the hook for $80k. ( and yes ive read it, it states that if you're terminated for ANY reason after indoc you're responsible)

Originally Posted by amcnd

they have already said. Failing out, medical out, and getting hired by DL/UA are no repayment..

Originally Posted by PorkyMcFuzz

I have not read it so just for the crowd, is it actually expressly written in the contract that these things will be 100% excused from any repayment or is it just a verbal assurance from management? I was told it was verbal only, which obviously would not be worth much.

Originally Posted by amcnd

they have already said. Failing out, medical out, and getting hired by DL/UA are no repayment..