somerisingsun

I didn’t even think of it from that angle

TFAYD

sounds like an intriguing new source of revenue.

R0GER BALL

Come on Trip. We use to agree! Most of the time.
No, I'm not a general in the SGU Air Force. Sun Country Lacky I am.

I guess I don't see it as pay for training. I get it. I do. This thing sucks. But in that five years you're collecting, what, $600? $700,000? At least until the pay scales drop. Which they will. I see AA stopped hiring now. Agree, yes, medical out or wash out SHOULD NOT require payment of the $80.. 100% agree. Or even just a quit to leave the industry entirely. People do that. I remember a few during Covid. Oops.

In my situation- I would have paid the 80 to leave for my ULCC/Amazon Cargo when I bolted OO over two years ago. Why? I sit better then 50% company seniority now and make awesome money. I was contemplating United, they've not called, so I'll keep doing this and don't care if they call or not. Which I would never have said as an OO pilot. And not because of the people.... SERIOUSLY, THE BEST CREWS EVER. I had so much fun at OO. But the 16% direct contribution here is pretty nice. And no attendance policy is almost as equally significant. These people simply don't jerk your chain. Point is, none of any of this happens if I don't get in the door at SkyWest and get going.

As far as the OO training? If it is pay for training? I think Sunny would hire only OO pilots if they had a choice. They love the product.

Good luck to all you guys. Like I said, it's a great job in a shi** industry. This agreement is the shi*** industry part.

trip

I see your angle, crappy industry for sure. Sadly this solution will be unnecesary as the situation has already remedied itself via hiring slowdown (or stopped) everywhere, sorry for those who missed the big wave but that's life.
Glad to hear Sunny is working good for you, I have several friends there and have bought tickets myself several times since they're flying back into my hometown, always treated good and got to where I wanted to be. Sunny's culture reminds me of the old SKYW of years ago. I hope they have a bright future.

TFAYD

true - but that gives management even more leverage. Lots more pressure on aspiring FOs to sign it for lack of options. I am afraid this will only go away once they have to compete for new hire applicants again- which doesn’t appear to be likely in the near future.

JoJocou

The hiring everywhere will increase as soon as aircraft with Boeing is worked out. People shouldnt panic. The pilot shortage still exists and will exist for a very long time. Regionals like Skywest are counting on young low time inexperienced CFI for the most part to staff their aircraft in hopes they will stick around for 5 years by signing that agreement. If the industry slowing was not temporary, Skywest would not be iniitating a contract to force them to stay. Anyone who agrees with the contract is most likely on here to sway pilots to sign by instilling panic and dread.

amcnd

regardless of industry trends. The contract is here to stay. Why not have one and protect your business.. out of the pool of 6000 CFI’s. They can get the 2000 they need to sign it… they only need 1/3 of the interviews to sign it over the next year. To stabilize. The business plan.. the ones that don’t go into the deep end of the pool to wait.

JoJocou

these numbers sound like hr or management rhetoric. do you have connections to one of those entities?

amcnd

FAA numbers for 2022. Actually 8,000. Sorry.. So thats 8000 people that have had 2 years as a CFI and around regional mins, looking for jobs… 2000 pilots is needed to get up to targeted numbers. But now that attrition is well very low. Maybe hiring will slow off down…

Skyhawk121

Yeah... Most really only seem to care if the time counts towards 121 upgrade time. If I am remembering the reg correctly, 135 time has to be pax ops in a crew environment with greater than 10 seats in order to count.