Originally Posted by FyrePilot

SAPA never even came to INDOC. The guy teaching indoc told us SAPA is the pilot group, they "bargain" for you. That was it. SAPA is just an arm of the company to make the pilots think they have some sort of union. Its all smoke and mirrors. We were told getting to work is your responsibility. Then they spent about 30 min teaching us the that we have nonrev benefits with 4 different carriers each with their own fee and log in system to search and list. Then you need to figure out MyIDTravel and ID90 as well. The only thing regarding jumpseating is that it is a privelege and ask the captain of the plane you want to jump on politely and be ready to show your credentials.

My solution to the vacation passes is to make them actually for vacation. Require them be activated 24 hours in advance (most people know they are going on vacation at least 24 hours in advance). If you need to use vacation passes to commute that was not the original intention and they shouldn't be permitted for it. It would also fix the arguments mainline nonrevs get into when the senior mama flight attendent trying to get back from europe tries to use seniority to bump the poor brand new gate agent that wants to burn her vacation pass to get the last of the polaris seat as well.

Maybe you should add positive space commuting to the things you MEC needs to get in this negotiation. Skywest had some positive space commuting during covid and it helped me out several times.

Personally I think think if you are commuting into work and its provable that you are commuting there should be a listing code that goes to trump all the non-revs (including those on vacation passes) and puts the commuters below the positive space people but above any non-rev. I don't think that is needed for getting home, but something could be better than the current system.

My new airline has the best policy for the jumpseat. On our metal you list greater than 24 hours and you are one of the top 2 listed determined by seniority- that seat is yours. No getting bumped last minute by a senior guy. If its at 24 hours and I see two senior guys above me listed- I have plenty of time to figure out plan B.

This all might be a mute point anyways because UA mainline is going to have so many narrowbodies that there won't be many places skywest will be the only show in town any more.

Originally Posted by Hummel75

Passive aggressive? Frustrated, Insecure, Neurotic and emotional.....actually. I guess you either remembered me or looked up old posts, in either case, my vocality in 2019 came from the fact that the, in my opinion, jumpseat war was ill advised and in the end changed nothing. I never thought the nuclear option that the SAPA jumpseat chair brought to bear was a smart decision for anyone involved.

Originally Posted by FyrePilot

Personally I think think if you are commuting into work and its provable that you are commuting there should be a listing code that goes to trump all the non-revs (including those on vacation passes) and puts the commuters below the positive space people but above any non-rev. I don't think that is needed for getting home, but something could be better than the current system.

Originally Posted by Packsinop

Man, everthing OP complained about is the same exact stuff on united mainline. I live in a united base and commute to another united base and it's always a circus act trying to get to work, especially the last few weeks. I plan on atleast a 2 leg trip, and even then have been screwed multiple times by mainline employees listing last minute. flying on OO metal is usually the only thing that is a sure bet but have been burned by listing early only to be booted by a vacation pass. Atleast the united app is great for booking non-rev stuff...looking at you delta.

Originally Posted by b3181981

What do you mean by this? How do you book non-rev on the united app? I thought you had to list at the gate for united jumpseats. Is it not the same for flights?

Originally Posted by RTROAjax

We can list for United jumpseats or regular non-rev on the United app or online.

Originally Posted by b3181981

Is this for any pilot with cass or just united or skywest pilots? Where would I see this option on the app or online? I don't fly for united or skywest but another regional that doesn't fly for any of the legacies.

Originally Posted by FyrePilot

Former skywest here. They teach skywest new hires nothing about how to jumpseat. The company had to have their sapa minions send an email telling us not to jumpseat in flip flops.

If you are mainline United you are probably part of the problem. If not- it's united mainline that is the problem. United nonrevs will change to vacation pass at last minute and bump any skywest people out on our own metal. So we defaulted to not listing until 30 min prior on any of our own united express metal. That way it's after the cutoff to change to vacation passes for mainline- they still try to do it anyways and an argument happens with the gate agent. Skywest lists for the jumpseat the same way. Sorry if it inconveniences you- but if it's united you really can only blame the united nonrevs.

If it's on other branded metal for skywest- I agree that common courtesy would dictate listing for the jumpseat as early as possible so everyone could see

I would always appreciate when I was jumping on mainline if I could see that two pilots were listed and I could make other plans

United gate agents - especially at hubs - always have to be reminded about priority because they are trained to put their own people on first. Several times in Denver and SFO I had to explain to the gate agent about jumpseat priority.