Originally Posted by TipTanks

I'm not sure I understand the question.

Do what on their own? I guess my point is that the company hasn't done anything necessarily in the best interests of the pilots--they're (in the best interest of the company) trying to create an orderly exit rather than just have all of their experienced pilots flow out randomly. Then they are marketing it as a "career progression" program.

I'm pretty new, but I'm pretty unimpressed so far with SAPA. At best they seem to be primarily interested in the best interests of their lifers. That said, my perception of all regional unions is that they're more for show than anything else. It's hard to represent a pilot group, 90% of whom want to leave as quickly as humanly possible. I'm fine with SAPA as at least we don't have to pay dues for them to do nothing unlike the ALPA/Teamsters represented regionals.

Originally Posted by Casualinterest

Hahaha wow...

Originally Posted by KirillTheThrill

You know what’s actually funny? Your ALPA just agreed to a “retention bonus” that literally handcuffs the pilot group financially. You should read up on Sharecropping.

Originally Posted by Casualinterest

You mean the optional bonuses you can choose not to take and still go wherever you want? Or you mean the 40k you can take and still get hired ots at Delta the next day and keep? Or you mean the contractual flow in case all else fails? Or were you referring to the union protections that the grievance process offers? Or maybe you meant the Payroll protection program that alpa was on the front lines helping to actually write that saved jobs? Wait maybe it was that time alpa carriers through pattern bargaining all got pay raises and better contracts that OO had to match in order to stay competitive?

You'll have to be more specific. Maybe you should read up on "Flying the Line".

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Originally Posted by KirillTheThrill

You took a response solely directed towards your recent retention deal and made it out as if I’m anti union. Nice spin btw, it’s a financial handcuff, nothing less or more. You had an opportunity to increase pay rates and you failed miserably. Management got exactly what they wanted.

Originally Posted by KirillTheThrill

You took a response solely directed towards your recent retention deal and made it out as if I’m anti union. Nice spin btw, it’s a financial handcuff, nothing less or more. You had an opportunity to increase pay rates and you failed miserably. Management got exactly what they wanted.

Originally Posted by Casualinterest

I realize you're used to other alpa carriers negotiating on your behalf, but our pay rates were already the highest contractual rates in the regional industry. The union (smartly) realized that bonuses are something the company needs. So they went to the table and told the company what we wanted in exchange for bonuses. Let that sink in. In exchange they got permanent contract improvements in the forms of duty/trip rigs, 30% increase in per diem, front end DH's, improved sli benefits, customs pay, shortened flow commitments, sick bank payout, and vacation buy back.... All permanent, in exchange for letting them give us more money. And nfn, they've already said we expect to be back at the table soon with more leverage. If you think management took 9E mec behind the woodshed on this one you're out of your mind.

Originally Posted by 123AB

You guys are funny. So you're telling me that Flow trumps Pay or QoL?

Originally Posted by KirillTheThrill

Holy crap you’re delusional.

Originally Posted by Casualinterest

Your negotiating committee is welcome to negotiate higher rates, and when y'all start forced upgrades you can always grieve it