Sperrysan

That is a silly statement regarding public paying for Alpa’s initiatives. Alpa did those to benefit its member to make it home to their families.Additionally, the improved safety record means better airline safety track record which, in turn, increases the amount of people willing to fly. The safer the mode of travel the more people will be willing to use it.

is Skywest a leech? Maybe in a sense, but given this free market they can run their business however they want, while complying with applicable FAA and business regulations. If you follow your line of thinking, the collective group of Airlines in Alpa made significant improvements in the industry as a whole, where is Skywest’s contribution to the industry? Jumpseats? Well, through Alpa’s jumpseat organization/committee most other airlines are doing the same thing to get you to work while those pilots are paying their union dues funding said organization.What else has Skywest contributed as a whole to the industry?
Not saying that Skywest are required to contribute anything, just putting it out there.

Meep

I love how these threads always veer off to the same topics.

Sperrysan

That is the point of the internet. You start trying to do something productive then you end up on the fringes of youtube populated with animals flinging excrement at each other.

Flymeaway

Come on. We all had to take Econ101. Gains in pay and QoL we make as an industry are due to market forces. We were paying FOs peanuts for years all across the industry. Is that because that's what the unions thought was best? No, it's because management could get new pilots in at that rate, and they weren't going to pay more, no matter what the unions wanted. All of the lowest paid pilot groups with the worst QoL are unionized.

When things get better and airlines have to compete for competent pilots, pay and QoL go up across the board. When things get bad, pay and QoL go down, or the union insists on holding firm and the airline loses all of it's flying, closes its doors, and everyone starts at the bottom at another airline. There is simply no escaping that. OO is just another airline doing the same thing everyone else is doing...trying to convince management that paying/treating us similarly or better than our competition is the best way to make the most profit.

Sperrysan

Lol. You gonna tell that to the majors when you apply? I'm sure you were trying to say that regarding the regional level. If you honestly think that is true at a regional level you are way beyond Koolaid. Some weird clockwork orange reprogramming machine is more likely.

savedbythevnav

Did I stutter?

Flymeaway

Aren't all of the majors unionized? If so, it would be true at the major level as well, correct? But yes, of course, I was discussing the regionals. It would be useless to compare a regional to a major, as we aren't competitors.

I think you missed my point. I do believe unions are a positive force and there are a number of resources that we don't have at OO by not having one (attorneys, professional negotiators, etc). I just don't think it's accurate to characterize a non-union employee group as "free-loading" any more than characterizing yourself as doing the same if you've ever benefited from a policy that any interest group lobbied for when you hadn't financially contributed to that group.

And I can understand and sympathize with the fact that a lot of people here feel we're paid and treated at least as well as most other regionals and better than some. But if you believe that SkyWest is at the very bottom of all regionals in pay, QoL, and job security, I'll just have to respectfully disagree with you.

Meow1215

So was it grape or cherry flavored today?

Sperrysan

Hey somehow that must be racist and I am offended by that. I'm off to my safe space of my knitting fourms.

Phins2right

Because you are scum sucking non-union bottom feeders?

Seriously. When it comes to circling the bowl for the lowest fee, you guys never disappoint to set the bar even lower. You've enjoyed all the benefits that the major unions have gotten, to include KCM, yet you contribute nothing to the cause. The fact you are around is anathema to the profession and our organizations.

Your product sucks and the only reason you are still here is that you underbid all the rest on contracts. Because you all accept to work for crap wages and crap work rules; yet continue pat yourselves on the back thinking you're the greatest. We should have gutted you with scope long ago.

I'm ALPA from 2 majors. Recently early retired. I saw what the swarm of RJs did to my first airline gig back circa 2000ish. This industry changes fast. CC's motus operandi is not a secret. The best you can do for yourselves is to organize. Join the rest of the team.