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Old 08-24-2022, 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by VegasChris

Sounds like a NO vote from just about every FO. Not sure on the captain side
Bad news for Boomers, FOs outnumber captains at an increasing rate.
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Old 08-24-2022, 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Dream
Don’t worry, the next TA will be an extra 3% increase in pay and the group will cave. TFAYD
luckily there are more FOs than CAs. Hopefully they see this as the pile of ^_][ it is and vote it out. It’s absolute proof that SAPA is only looking out for the company.
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Old 08-24-2022, 05:47 PM
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As a Captain I’m speechless really. We sat around for months waiting this out under the false illusion that the company was “running the financial data” on these ****ing trash “QOL changes”. The Captain pay rates I figured to be around these numbers but we got nothing on QOL man.

I’m a big NO vote, and it’s time for ALPA, enough is enough. The apps are going out to Alaska and Southwest, I’m done with this company, no way I’m waiting around for my #1 choice for this trash TA.

This would be a quick money grab for me voting yes on this POS TA but I think it’s extremely important some of the captains reading this knowing they’re going to be gone in less than 6 months realize it’s important to leave this place better off for the future of the industry, vote no.
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Old 08-24-2022, 05:55 PM
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Any way we can move the vote up? I’d rather the time and money from SAPA’s roadshow get allocated to a better offer.

Also, does anyone have the number for ALPA? We need help.
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Old 08-24-2022, 06:13 PM
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If you have been around enough we have voted in 3% raises. This is way more 62-72%. Im going from $127hr to $185. And $200hr in 2026. 11% 401k matched at 100%. Plus a additional 3% DC fund. FO’s. Start at $60 and goes to $70. Unless you put a upgrade bid in then at 750hrs you go to $144hr.. If you come over from another regional you basically can get that $144hr if you bring 121 time.. The rest is about the normal. More perdiem. No change to trip rigs. Cheaper health care.. first glance they really went after the 1-4 year FO’s and the 7-13 year Captains.. thats the choke point of people leaving. And thats the target audience.
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Old 08-24-2022, 06:15 PM
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Changes to our work rules which affect us in an other-than-positive way, such as schedule notifications via tablet, and all of this new reflow language, are completely off the table. All of this other garbage about reserve rules changing is stuff that we've been asking for since at least March 2020 or beforehand. This is truly an embarrassment of a package. Don't get excited about the pay rates (and the proposed $0.15 increase in per diem...) unless you fully understand how the work rules will cause a lot more difficulties than what we have going on now.

P.S. It is extremely odd that our internal company forum is now offline. It doesn't really matter what the excuse is. The optics are absolutely terrible.
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Old 08-24-2022, 06:19 PM
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SAPA forums are back up..
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Old 08-24-2022, 06:23 PM
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I predict tons of negativity… Thats how OO seems to roll… or so the 10% vocal people run it.. heck only 20% of people even vote on sapa rep elections..
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Old 08-24-2022, 06:25 PM
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I can’t believe they presented this TA with a straight face. We’re losing pilot profit sharing and half the captain bonus while being told this a raise. They’re just taking with one hand to give with the other.

If you’re considering coming to skywest as an FO, look elsewhere.
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Old 08-24-2022, 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by mazerRack
I can’t believe they presented this TA with a straight face. We’re losing pilot profit sharing and half the captain bonus while being told this a raise. They’re just taking with one hand to give with the other.

If you’re considering coming to skywest as an FO, look elsewhere.
Where do you recommend a 1500 hr CFI go? Endeavor is 52, Republic is 46, Mesa is 36, GoJet will be closed in 6 months or less. AA WO are not hiring 1500 CFI’s. That leaves Air Wisconsin and CommutAir. It won’t be much longer before CommutAir stops hiring 1500 CFI’s.
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