Jeepers

Interesting thoughts on the contract favoring captains only considering the only way to make a captain is to make an FO first. Wonder what they think people are going to do when they’re being offered $30 less an hour with the same work rules to come here vs a WO. Where are they gonna get FOs from?

amcnd

Classes are full - jan.. Envoy/PSA can’t train enough to drain the CFI pool..or even the SkyWest NH pool. so i think CC thinks there will always be enough people to fill NH slots. And the pay package will favor Captains.. time will tell..

cathulu90

To keep Captains they need to keep FOs. Right now there is plenty of FOs leaving OO with ~100hrs to go to ULCCs.(which is a terrible investment for OO) . Every month there is around 150 FOs and 150Cpts leaving the company. They need to raise the pay for FOs to, so they can stay with OO longer and upgrade to CPT.

flightvector

Us October 31st guys got so excited to see that email tell us we got moved up a day I bet!

123AB

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123AB

I really agree with you. I sure hope there is some focus on decent improvements to FO pay and QoL improvements. For FO pay, I am hoping to see it moved up to at least $60 an hour for Year 1. Of course I’d like more, but I am “managing my expectations”. Also hope to see at least one additional day off each month and several other QoL improvements as well.

Don’t get me wrong, I’d love to see a laundry list of things, but these are just a few aspects I hope to see.

VegasChris

As an FO I really hope for what you listed above, but I don't think it will be even close to that.

Best thing for FOs to do is take the training and type rating, get a 1000 hours of 121 time, then bounce to ULCC or even to AA WO carriers as DEC.

As long as OO can maintain eating the training costs and have a line of brand new CFIs waiting months for a class date there is no reason for SGU to raise FO wages. The training costs are not our problem and come out of a different budget....and maybe OO has planned for those costs anyways.

I think they are going to make it harder for captains that they already have to leave by increasing pay and they are going to put incentives on upgrades. Incentives still won't come with career progression and will probably lock upgrades into OO for a minimum of 2 years.

Without gaurantee of career progression outside of the company within a reasonable amount of time- I see NO REASON TO UPGRADE unless they are offering mainline wages (see envoy LCA pay) ..... And that is a long term solution for the pilots in the realm of reality.

domino

when I was hired, they told me they hire captains, not pilots. So yeah. They have a captain shortage. As in pilots. They can call it whatever they want.

domino

And metering to DL will drop from 7.5 months to 7 months.

jpso

You can get awarded LAS base in training at Frontier. Worth applying if you haven't already.