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#4091
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Joined APC: Mar 2021
Posts: 61
Your point is 100% valid, but unfortunately we will never be in a position to stand united on an idea like this. 10 pilots in a room making a pact to not pick up open time for less than 300% is attainable. 5,000 pilots spread across the entire country, it will never happen (unfortunately).
Damn shame, too. At least on a working level the crews at skywest are awesome.
Last edited by WheelInTheBack; 07-15-2022 at 09:53 AM.
#4092
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2017
Posts: 285
While I don’t subscribe to singling any particular pilot group out, the “me me me” attitude of picking up trips for anything less than 300% just to make a little extra cash is just telling the company that pilots are willing to work for less than they are worth. If our pilot group started refusing anything less than 300% the company won’t get coverage and will HAVE to raise the pay for the whole pilot group to make 150% pay worth it to pick stuff up…or make 300% pay the baseline, preferably the first option to make our pay across the board better.
At less than 300% you’re severely selling yourself short in this market which hurts the pilot group as a whole. Honestly, picking up any open time at all right now hurts the collective, but at least 300% is along the lines of what you should be paid for open time. (Ex. $100/hr X 150%, or $50/hr X 300%, however you look at it).
In the longer run (and not too distant future if everyone got on board) you’re going to make more money for your time while also helping everyone else make more money for their time, rather than selling yourself out to two lost days off for that one paycheck you got that had half a car payment extra on it.
At less than 300% you’re severely selling yourself short in this market which hurts the pilot group as a whole. Honestly, picking up any open time at all right now hurts the collective, but at least 300% is along the lines of what you should be paid for open time. (Ex. $100/hr X 150%, or $50/hr X 300%, however you look at it).
In the longer run (and not too distant future if everyone got on board) you’re going to make more money for your time while also helping everyone else make more money for their time, rather than selling yourself out to two lost days off for that one paycheck you got that had half a car payment extra on it.
What about the young single UND kid that has airline pilot parents paying his bills? He wants the block time to move on and be like daddy- so 300% means nothing to him.
Or what about the guy that wants to pick up a cool overnight in a city he likes a certain restaurant in? He is not going to pick it up for just so he can get 300%
Or me who works another job (one that actually pays my bills) and sometimes pays a couple hundred bucks to get someone to take a trip. If everything open is being paid at at 300% I won't be able to find anyone to take my trips.
Not that any of this matters because the vast majority of the pilots like me are already working to the 117 limits with minimum days off as it is and are not able to pick up open time even if they paid 500%. The only people that can pick it up are at the top of the seniority list getting more days off because they can bid the efficient trips (I am on a 3 hour sit today as I type this)
#4093
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Joined APC: Mar 2021
Posts: 61
Not that any of this matters because the vast majority of the pilots like me are already working to the 117 limits with minimum days off as it is and are not able to pick up open time even if they paid 500%. The only people that can pick it up are at the top of the seniority list getting more days off because they can bid the efficient trips (I am on a 3 hour sit today as I type this)
#4095
Reserve Without End
Joined APC: Feb 2022
Posts: 149
I personally view it as my way of getting back at CS for all the RDY I sit. Min Daily at 300 is my minimum. I work a lot for the least pay, sometimes its nice to work the least for a lot of pay. Taking 150 lets them win.
To quote the great Michael Scott: well well well, how the turntables..
To quote the great Michael Scott: well well well, how the turntables..
#4098
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2017
Posts: 285
#4099
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2022
Position: A330, Right
Posts: 134
August, 5 days, New Orleans, Costa Maya, Cozumel, New Orleans; $18/day.
August, 4 days, Miami, Half Moon Cay, Nassau, Miami; $21/day.
August, 4 days, Port Canaveral, Nassau, Princess Cays, Port Canaveral; $21/day.
#4100
Banned
Joined APC: Jun 2022
Posts: 194
The only thing you should be worried about is getting those apps out and leaving. Let SAPA worry about this new pay package that won’t stop the bleeding. SAPA sent the package back last week, obviously with better QOL changes. Management is still pondering around with it, which tells you they’re not on par with what it’s going to take to change the attrition and stability of this airline.
They’re still in the mindset of lowering the bottom line in this environment! Where they are the last dog at the bowl!! It’s defeating to even think about how much they’ve lost the pilot group. Everyone flying the line is upset, even the pilots who’ve routinely given them the benefit of the doubt.
Last edited by Str8 Cash Homie; 07-20-2022 at 12:11 PM.
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