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Old 07-15-2022, 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by 123AB
Your point is 100% valid, but unfortunately we will never be in a position to stand united on an idea like this. 10 pilots in a room making a pact to not pick up open time for less than 300% is attainable. 5,000 pilots spread across the entire country, it will never happen (unfortunately).
By the time this is done there may only be 10 pilots in a room…. 😐

Damn shame, too. At least on a working level the crews at skywest are awesome.

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Old 07-15-2022, 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by WheelInTheBack
While I don’t subscribe to singling any particular pilot group out, the “me me me” attitude of picking up trips for anything less than 300% just to make a little extra cash is just telling the company that pilots are willing to work for less than they are worth. If our pilot group started refusing anything less than 300% the company won’t get coverage and will HAVE to raise the pay for the whole pilot group to make 150% pay worth it to pick stuff up…or make 300% pay the baseline, preferably the first option to make our pay across the board better.

At less than 300% you’re severely selling yourself short in this market which hurts the pilot group as a whole. Honestly, picking up any open time at all right now hurts the collective, but at least 300% is along the lines of what you should be paid for open time. (Ex. $100/hr X 150%, or $50/hr X 300%, however you look at it).

In the longer run (and not too distant future if everyone got on board) you’re going to make more money for your time while also helping everyone else make more money for their time, rather than selling yourself out to two lost days off for that one paycheck you got that had half a car payment extra on it.
It's a good way to think, but it would only work with if 5000 pilots had the same goals. Everyone is at skywest for a means to an end. For some it is money and 300% would be great for them.

What about the young single UND kid that has airline pilot parents paying his bills? He wants the block time to move on and be like daddy- so 300% means nothing to him.

Or what about the guy that wants to pick up a cool overnight in a city he likes a certain restaurant in? He is not going to pick it up for just so he can get 300%

Or me who works another job (one that actually pays my bills) and sometimes pays a couple hundred bucks to get someone to take a trip. If everything open is being paid at at 300% I won't be able to find anyone to take my trips.

Not that any of this matters because the vast majority of the pilots like me are already working to the 117 limits with minimum days off as it is and are not able to pick up open time even if they paid 500%. The only people that can pick it up are at the top of the seniority list getting more days off because they can bid the efficient trips (I am on a 3 hour sit today as I type this)
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Old 07-15-2022, 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by VegasChris
Not that any of this matters because the vast majority of the pilots like me are already working to the 117 limits with minimum days off as it is and are not able to pick up open time even if they paid 500%. The only people that can pick it up are at the top of the seniority list getting more days off because they can bid the efficient trips (I am on a 3 hour sit today as I type this)
What the heck? I’m blocking 70 hours/month or less and that’s when I’m actually busy. Those three hour sits and inefficient trips are exactly why I block so few hours. Even with that I’m rarely inside of 10 hours to FDP limits. I could easily pick up a couple days a month at the least…but only if they give 300%. 😂
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Old 07-18-2022, 03:24 AM
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For what it’s worth, I hope they can come up with something that meets all the desires of everyone at Skywest. I’ve had an awesome time flying with all of you and would hate to see Skywest go under.
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Old 07-18-2022, 09:51 AM
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I personally view it as my way of getting back at CS for all the RDY I sit. Min Daily at 300 is my minimum. I work a lot for the least pay, sometimes its nice to work the least for a lot of pay. Taking 150 lets them win.

To quote the great Michael Scott: well well well, how the turntables..
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Old 07-20-2022, 07:55 AM
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Are we ever getting increased pay? Holy Moses, it’s getting frustrating receiving the lowest compensation in all of the airline industry and literally half the pay of some regionals.
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Old 07-20-2022, 11:11 AM
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Is there a good place for crew to subscribe for last minute discounted vacations, cruises, etc?
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Old 07-20-2022, 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by LongHornFlyer
Is there a good place for crew to subscribe for last minute discounted vacations, cruises, etc?
ID90 does all that

Use code z31 for airline leisure hotel rate code

Join the groups on FB to get discount codes or skywest online travel page
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Old 07-20-2022, 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by LongHornFlyer
Is there a good place for crew to subscribe for last minute discounted vacations, cruises, etc?
ID90 has some pretty inexpensive cruises.

August, 5 days, New Orleans, Costa Maya, Cozumel, New Orleans; $18/day.
August, 4 days, Miami, Half Moon Cay, Nassau, Miami; $21/day.
August, 4 days, Port Canaveral, Nassau, Princess Cays, Port Canaveral; $21/day.
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Old 07-20-2022, 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by LongHornFlyer
Are we ever getting increased pay? Holy Moses, it’s getting frustrating receiving the lowest compensation in all of the airline industry and literally half the pay of some regionals.
Honestly who cares, more money doesn’t mean much if you have no time to spend it on anything. Anything is better than having to deal with crew scheduling or the schedules we’re being awarded. This is now the worst QOL airline in the industry after they convinced their partners to allow mixed pairing. It created a ridiculous amount of 10 hour min rest layovers combined with 12 days off a month, which equals terrible QOL. They essentially lowered the bottom line with pilot efficiency and destroyed the last bit of QOL we had left.

The only thing you should be worried about is getting those apps out and leaving. Let SAPA worry about this new pay package that won’t stop the bleeding. SAPA sent the package back last week, obviously with better QOL changes. Management is still pondering around with it, which tells you they’re not on par with what it’s going to take to change the attrition and stability of this airline.

They’re still in the mindset of lowering the bottom line in this environment! Where they are the last dog at the bowl!! It’s defeating to even think about how much they’ve lost the pilot group. Everyone flying the line is upset, even the pilots who’ve routinely given them the benefit of the doubt.

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