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07-09-2022, 04:45 PM
#4061
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CRJ200 captain moves 200 people a day and that is an EXTRA $1200 for the day if the tickets go up $6. Until the customers stop buying a $400 intermediary purchase it can increase 2%. 6 is random but it illustrates the solution well.
07-09-2022, 04:54 PM
#4062
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Using back of the envelope math, let's assume the average flight in an ERJ is 2 hours (it's actually much less so this is conservative). Let's assume the average plane leaves with an also conservative 50 pax. That means each $1 a pax pays extra is $25/hr. Doubling FO pay would cost another $50 an hr and doubling CA pay is another $100 an hr (again, both conservative). That's $150 an hr extra cost, or $300 for an average 2 hr flight. 300/25 = $12 per ticket extra.
I realized an error in my math while typing it out, so its roughly 12 instead of 6. Still, the point is the same. Hardly a deal breaker, and these are all conservative numbers so the true cost would be lower.
I realized an error in my math while typing it out, so its roughly 12 instead of 6. Still, the point is the same. Hardly a deal breaker, and these are all conservative numbers so the true cost would be lower.
That makes sense. The math might not be perfect. When you fly a 175/700 to a market that is only severed by OO I don’t think a 6-15 dollar price difference is going to be the difference between them buying the ticket and them saying no.
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07-09-2022, 08:40 PM
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I really don’t want to engage in the conversation of speculative costs, but do you realize that employers have to pay tax that equates to approximately 15-18% of an employee’s salary, plus there are other costs as well? Unless you’re a corporate financial expert, it is very difficult to predict the actual cost.
07-09-2022, 08:48 PM
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07-09-2022, 09:29 PM
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This is truth.
Compare fuel costs: it’s gone to over $1 a *pound* most places. Even with volume, prepaids and hedging strategies, the recent rise in fuel prices has been a much bigger cost hit. But the number-crunchers know once pay goes up, it’s not coming down without a BK or other severe event that will have repercussions. So unless/until it’s truly a matter of survival, smart, penny-pinching bean counters will resist it. Apologists among the pilot group don’t mean to be unwitting allies of the bean counters; everyone has to do what is right for them, and for some, status quo works. Others will move on to meet their needs. Capitalism….ain’t it grand?
For me, when someone shows me who they are, I believe ‘em. Do what’s right for you and your family.
07-11-2022, 06:39 PM
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07-11-2022, 06:48 PM
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I don’t think this was the original plan. Chip met with the training group and spoke to how it was a mistake to give the FOs all the money in the last pay package. On the Q1 call he said “this fall it will be a great time to be a SkyWest Captain.” Note he avoided using “pilot” or “and first officer”. I think he was gonna pay captains 150 something. FOs no increase. Maybe there was even a preliminary agreement with SAPA. Then…. The WO AA pay package happened. And everything changed. And Chip can’t afford to pay both seats. Or, he just won’t.
So here we are. Rightsizing. Chip doesn’t want the CRJ 900s. 9e gets em. SkyWest loves those 200’s as they make the most money. But Kirby is serious. They are going away. Delta’s will too. So, boom! A 135 op.That levee the commitment to the crj 700s for American. TBD I guess. They are very old. No replacement plan.
So, as Chip calls it, the “refleeting” continues. He’s bleeding mechanics and crew support and dispatchers also obtw. Getting smaller with ERJ only and doing the 135 ops on the 200 makes sense. Good business decision in this market.
I get that there’s allot of pilots available to hire. But hiring is about “talent accusation”. If you’re not getting the best, you become a Mesa or GoJet.
So all this feet dragging and lack of info from SAPA makes sense. I’d take the job offer!
07-11-2022, 07:42 PM
#4070
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Chip is right sizing his company to an ERJ only 121 operation. He’s not in a hurry as attrition helps this process. For three months the company has been losing 130ish CA and only upgrading 30ish. Gone are the emails from Tracy too. Nothing.
I don’t think this was the original plan. Chip met with the training group and spoke to how it was a mistake to give the FOs all the money in the last pay package. On the Q1 call he said “this fall it will be a great time to be a SkyWest Captain.” Note he avoided using “pilot” or “and first officer”. I think he was gonna pay captains 150 something. FOs no increase. Maybe there was even a preliminary agreement with SAPA. Then…. The WO AA pay package happened. And everything changed. And Chip can’t afford to pay both seats. Or, he just won’t.
So here we are. Rightsizing. Chip doesn’t want the CRJ 900s. 9e gets em. SkyWest loves those 200’s as they make the most money. But Kirby is serious. They are going away. Delta’s will too. So, boom! A 135 op.That levee the commitment to the crj 700s for American. TBD I guess. They are very old. No replacement plan.
So, as Chip calls it, the “refleeting” continues. He’s bleeding mechanics and crew support and dispatchers also obtw. Getting smaller with ERJ only and doing the 135 ops on the 200 makes sense. Good business decision in this market.
I get that there’s allot of pilots available to hire. But hiring is about “talent accusation”. If you’re not getting the best, you become a Mesa or GoJet.
So all this feet dragging and lack of info from SAPA makes sense. I’d take the job offer!
I don’t think this was the original plan. Chip met with the training group and spoke to how it was a mistake to give the FOs all the money in the last pay package. On the Q1 call he said “this fall it will be a great time to be a SkyWest Captain.” Note he avoided using “pilot” or “and first officer”. I think he was gonna pay captains 150 something. FOs no increase. Maybe there was even a preliminary agreement with SAPA. Then…. The WO AA pay package happened. And everything changed. And Chip can’t afford to pay both seats. Or, he just won’t.
So here we are. Rightsizing. Chip doesn’t want the CRJ 900s. 9e gets em. SkyWest loves those 200’s as they make the most money. But Kirby is serious. They are going away. Delta’s will too. So, boom! A 135 op.That levee the commitment to the crj 700s for American. TBD I guess. They are very old. No replacement plan.
So, as Chip calls it, the “refleeting” continues. He’s bleeding mechanics and crew support and dispatchers also obtw. Getting smaller with ERJ only and doing the 135 ops on the 200 makes sense. Good business decision in this market.
I get that there’s allot of pilots available to hire. But hiring is about “talent accusation”. If you’re not getting the best, you become a Mesa or GoJet.
So all this feet dragging and lack of info from SAPA makes sense. I’d take the job offer!
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