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05-22-2021, 02:05 PM

#1881

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Originally Posted by Utah

That said, it's going to get very repetitive after a while. You are going to go the same airports a lot.

Even as a CFI with 4-5 lessons a day, the repetition doesn't bother me too much, but happy to hear there is some variety if I'm lucky enough to be hired by SkyWest.

Thanks for your help!

05-22-2021, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Scottman71

Even as a CFI with 4-5 lessons a day, the repetition doesn't bother me too much, but happy to hear there is some variety if I'm lucky enough to be hired by SkyWest.

Thanks for your help!

I would argue the repetition at a 121 doesn't get boring, especially compared to being a CFI. Maybe if you're at the Red Lion in Redding every trip.

05-22-2021, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by LAXtoDEN

You heard wrong. It’s not about regional pilots deserving anything, every pilot group deserves progression. This is not your generic flow, it’s a 90% flow down with 35 RJ’s going to RPA I believe, management will never consider it.

The good news is maybe OO management will consider having a flow with a potential legacy in the future (I’d assume UA) to stay competitive for hiring purposes.

A few months ago the United Aviate Managing Director (CB) was asked on Instagram if OO would ever be added to Aviate and he said not likely because OO has multiple airline partnerships where as three of the four Aviate regional partners are only flying for UA.

05-22-2021, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by lavdestroyer

Yeah, management says one thing, 6 months later they’re saying the opposite. My understanding is OO was offered a flow from UA in the past and turned it down, which is unfortunate for the pilots, but I can certainly see the conflict. All these programs are decided by people above our pay grades. I’m sure that answer was spot on, but who knows the stance a year from now.

05-22-2021, 08:31 PM

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Depends on how the line is built.

Something like KLAX-KSBP-KLAX-KRNO Day 1, Day 2 KRNO-KSFO-KSBP-KDEN. etc. is super common. 80% of the time west coast bases don't go further than Denver

05-22-2021, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by LAXtoDEN

My understanding is OO was offered a flow from UA in the past and turned it down,

I don't believe anything was offered to flow 'up" into UAL. But there was soft landings for UAL pilots, which was essentially preferencial hiring for them during the waves of furloughs 01-08'.

05-23-2021, 07:11 AM

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I don't believe anything was offered to flow 'up" into UAL. But there was soft landings for UAL pilots, which was essentially preferencial hiring for them during the waves of furloughs 01-08'.

There is a requirement in the current CBA to hire furloughed United pilots, but there are triggers that have to be met. The furloughs have to go back to a certain date to and the regional has to be actually hiring. Neither requirement happened during this down cycle. United has remained very opposed to flow. They want to pick their own problem children, not inherit them.

05-23-2021, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Hawker445

I don't believe anything was offered to flow 'up" into UAL. But there was soft landings for UAL pilots, which was essentially preferencial hiring for them during the waves of furloughs 01-08'.

Over a year ago I worked a 2 day trip with an individual with insider knowledge, because he was an “insider”. We have been offered both a buyout and flow by UA in the past, years prior to when I was hired.

Probably worthy to point out, that was a different UA management team. The new one seems more agenda driven to please the woke crowd, what could possibly go wrong.

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05-23-2021, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Hedley

I haven’t seen any statements from UA being opposed to flow, but AVIATE and this flight training school seems like they’re vetting the pilots prior to hiring. I actually think that’s a smart way of doing it, but from a skill standpoint they could end up shooting themselves in the foot bringing in so many inexperienced pilots in waves at the around the same time.

05-23-2021, 02:09 PM

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There was talk of United flow in the past. The problem was United wanted to take 20-25 pilots a month and SkyWest management to let only 5 or so go. With such a limited number it wasn't worth pursuing the program.

You have to remember these flow programs are a way to staff regional flying, not mainline. SkyWest really hasn't had a problem attracting pilots. Some of these other airlines have.