New Skywest West Coast Flying?
01-28-2019, 09:02 AM
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Not even close. It’s a bidding game. Plain and simple. All the regionals put in a bid. The majors go back to each individually and say “well, Regional X gave us a bid lower than yours (without naming numbers) and then it’s up to regional Y if they want to counter. The regionals never know the numbers and are awarded flying based on their overall bid. Skywest has lost plenty of bids and it has nothing to do with owning aircraft.
As for growth, if we take on more flying, kiss your days off good bye. Everyone will be working like crazy.
As for growth, if we take on more flying, kiss your days off good bye. Everyone will be working like crazy.
01-28-2019, 09:09 AM
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Not even close. It’s a bidding game. Plain and simple. All the regionals put in a bid. The majors go back to each individually and say “well, Regional X gave us a bid lower than yours (without naming numbers) and then it’s up to regional Y if they want to counter. The regionals never know the numbers and are awarded flying based on their overall bid. Skywest has lost plenty of bids and it has nothing to do with owning aircraft.
As for growth, if we take on more flying, kiss your days off good bye. Everyone will be working like crazy.
As for growth, if we take on more flying, kiss your days off good bye. Everyone will be working like crazy.
01-28-2019, 09:41 AM
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I hear rumors of Delta wanting 3 regional partners. But this rumor went around 6-8 years ago when they dumped Mesaba, Compass, and tried to dump Comair. But then they turned around and bought Pinnacle/Mesaba/Colgan (now Endeavor) to save them from bankruptcy. Comair liquidated, because those guys were paid too much, and signed on GoJets. Hey I heard Mesa likes the West Coast too as they have a 175 program too.
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01-28-2019, 04:53 PM
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I hear rumors of Delta wanting 3 regional partners. But this rumor went around 6-8 years ago when they dumped Mesaba, Compass, and tried to dump Comair. But then they turned around and bought Pinnacle/Mesaba/Colgan (now Endeavor) to save them from bankruptcy. Comair liquidated, because those guys were paid too much, and signed on GoJets. Hey I heard Mesa likes the West Coast too as they have a 175 program too.
When those contracts are up I expect them to go to Skywest or someone else. When are the contracts up?
01-28-2019, 05:12 PM
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I don't think a lower bid by Gojet or Compass would change Delta's mind about ending their relationship with them. Delta doesn't like the way Trans States Holdings is doing business and does not want to take a chance that it comes back at them and gives them a lot of bad publicity.
When those contracts are up I expect them to go to Skywest or someone else. When are the contracts up?
When those contracts are up I expect them to go to Skywest or someone else. When are the contracts up?
01-29-2019, 09:46 AM
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Is it true that SkyWest tends to be cheaper in the bidding process compared to other regionals? I was told way back in training by someone who had been around a long time that SkyWest is often the highest bidder but offers the partner more stability, reliability, etc.
I can see how lower pilot wages could drive down the costs, but just don't know if that actually translates into lower bidding for the flying or just higher profits on flying they get.
I can see how lower pilot wages could drive down the costs, but just don't know if that actually translates into lower bidding for the flying or just higher profits on flying they get.
01-29-2019, 10:30 AM
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Yah, don’t believe any of it until it actually happens...
Plans can change and regional flying can be shifted around quickly at the last minute.
Mainline partners love Skywest because it is non union, and makes itself cheaper than the competition to get flying. This next round of CPAs are expiring at several regionals at the same time, and mainline management openly talking about taking flying away from partner X and giving it to Skywest (or whoever else) applies pressure encourages those regional partners to come back and offer to do the job cheaper to keep their flying.
Plans can change and regional flying can be shifted around quickly at the last minute.
Mainline partners love Skywest because it is non union, and makes itself cheaper than the competition to get flying. This next round of CPAs are expiring at several regionals at the same time, and mainline management openly talking about taking flying away from partner X and giving it to Skywest (or whoever else) applies pressure encourages those regional partners to come back and offer to do the job cheaper to keep their flying.
Is it true that SkyWest tends to be cheaper in the bidding process compared to other regionals? I was told way back in training by someone who had been around a long time that SkyWest is often the highest bidder but offers the partner more stability, reliability, etc.
I can see how lower pilot wages could drive down the costs, but just don't know if that actually translates into lower bidding for the flying or just higher profits on flying they get.
I can see how lower pilot wages could drive down the costs, but just don't know if that actually translates into lower bidding for the flying or just higher profits on flying they get.
The lack of a pilot union (and other unions) provides the company a little extra profit margin but it's really more about flexibility. ALPA would not fundamentally change their business. In fact years ago JA himself told me that a pilot union would be good in one regard... they could pay the pilots what they need to for recruiting/retention and blame it on ALPA. Doing that unilaterally would offend other employee groups, although they just had to bite the bullet on that with recent raises and things like PPS.
Honestly my biggest concern with ALPA was a common-carrier petition from XJT/ASA. That's now irrelevant, I'd definitely go for it today.
01-30-2019, 06:34 AM
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Not even close. It’s a bidding game. Plain and simple. All the regionals put in a bid. The majors go back to each individually and say “well, Regional X gave us a bid lower than yours (without naming numbers) and then it’s up to regional Y if they want to counter. The regionals never know the numbers and are awarded flying based on their overall bid. Skywest has lost plenty of bids and it has nothing to do with owning aircraft.
As for growth, if we take on more flying, kiss your days off good bye. Everyone will be working like crazy.
As for growth, if we take on more flying, kiss your days off good bye. Everyone will be working like crazy.
01-30-2019, 07:45 AM
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I hear rumors of Delta wanting 3 regional partners. But this rumor went around 6-8 years ago when they dumped Mesaba, Compass, and tried to dump Comair. But then they turned around and bought Pinnacle/Mesaba/Colgan (now Endeavor) to save them from bankruptcy. Comair liquidated, because those guys were paid too much, and signed on GoJets. Hey I heard Mesa likes the West Coast too as they have a 175 program too.
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