Me too.....?
05-02-2018, 06:55 AM
#71
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I see FA and Pilot trips being split like Some majors... but in all reality no should the company protect me from the flu, cold ect. “Im on duty” interacting with people...
05-02-2018, 07:27 AM
#72
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If a CA has “influence” on the employment of the FA, he is toast when it goes before a jury. A jury won’t even understand your point. There doesn’t need to be a boss/subordinate relationship to exist.
This will never get to a jury because SkyWest will settle. This article was planned to let SkyWest know the plaintiff and her attorney are serious.
This will never get to a jury because SkyWest will settle. This article was planned to let SkyWest know the plaintiff and her attorney are serious.
) that a "Captain" has no implied authority or leverage over a subordinate crew-member. Corporations are routinely held financially accountable for the actions of employees on business trips. SOMEBODY has to pay, and it's going to be the nearest deep pockets, the only thing they are really fighting over now is the exact amount.Well it's possible SGU may be assuming "Utah Rules" for labor issues, if so they're going to be in for a very rude awakening shortly...
05-02-2018, 08:12 PM
#73
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Not a hard call?
OK, please explain this to me. Why is it then, crew members are allowed to consume alcohol while being "on the clock"? Why are crew members allowed to engage in sexual activity while "on the clock" ? I mean, if you are going to use the argument about per diem and hotels, those two activities happening should result in immediate termination since those are clearly against most companies policies while on the clock.
You should have thought your argument through a weeeee bit better.
OK, please explain this to me. Why is it then, crew members are allowed to consume alcohol while being "on the clock"? Why are crew members allowed to engage in sexual activity while "on the clock" ? I mean, if you are going to use the argument about per diem and hotels, those two activities happening should result in immediate termination since those are clearly against most companies policies while on the clock.
You should have thought your argument through a weeeee bit better.
The issue WHICH YOU BROUGHT UP wasn't WHAT THEY WERE DOING, WHICH as long as it was legal and both were willing participants was no big deal, but whether they were both "on the clock" by DOL standards.
They were on a trip that had not been completed, and being compensated for being there. They were indeed, "on the clock."
You may wish to pretend that no supervisory/subordinate issues are involved, but in 2018 that argument is not going to fly, anymore than claiming that it is somehow a CA's inalienable right to bang the Junior FA because that sort of behavior has long gone on.
Both those positions will lose - big time - in a court of law. Assuming, of course, it even gets there. Like most, I think Skywest will rather dramatically increase their anti sexual harassment program, just as Alaska has recently done. And then settle this case quietly out of court.
05-02-2018, 11:20 PM
#74
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All I can say is avoid situations like this. Don't get drunk on layovers, don't fraternize, don't be alone with a co-worker of the opposite sex in a hotel room. Protect yourself, don't throw away your career, marriage, family, or anything else away for one night of "fun"
All I can say is avoid situations like this. Don't get drunk on layovers, don't fraternize, don't be alone with a co-worker of the opposite sex in a hotel room. Protect yourself, don't throw away your career, marriage, family, or anything else away for one night of "fun"
Well said.
05-03-2018, 07:21 AM
#75
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Purposely obtuse? Best that I have got?
Ahhh, seems that I have struck a nerve with you...why is that? You are like a dog chasing its tail trying to "make a point" that someone is on the clock 24/7 in regards to labor and legal issues. Military and the private sector are two completely different animals, and the fact you even tried to compare the two shows how you are grasping at anything to hopefully "make your point".
Are you a SkyWest pilot? If so, where in your company manual does it give you the guidelines for what is allowed "while on the clock and not in uniform?" There would have to be specific rules in print showing what is considered appropriate behavior, and what can lead to disciplinary action.
Ahhh, seems that I have struck a nerve with you...why is that? You are like a dog chasing its tail trying to "make a point" that someone is on the clock 24/7 in regards to labor and legal issues. Military and the private sector are two completely different animals, and the fact you even tried to compare the two shows how you are grasping at anything to hopefully "make your point".
Are you a SkyWest pilot? If so, where in your company manual does it give you the guidelines for what is allowed "while on the clock and not in uniform?" There would have to be specific rules in print showing what is considered appropriate behavior, and what can lead to disciplinary action.
05-03-2018, 07:34 AM
#76
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It's not about "labor law" it's about the jury. The company is going to pay for sending a female on an overnight trip with a rapist, that's just a given in any state and any industry. Discovery will help determine how much they pay, based on the CA's previous history (if any). That and how eager the company is to settle and put this to rest as quietly as possible. Actual advantage to being a regional here, despite being one the largest airlines in the US, almost nobody in the public has ever heard of them so they don't have to protect their brand nearly as much a major.
05-03-2018, 10:02 AM
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As I said before, for all we know the reality could be anything from Full Cosby to calculated setup for financial gain. But if it's the later, no one will be held accountable, too much victim shaming stigma (unless a fake "victim" were to literally confess on the stand or on tape).
05-03-2018, 11:03 AM
#78
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Absolutely not judging at all, I'm describing it from the jury's perspective (King County jury...).
As I said before, for all we know the reality could be anything from Full Cosby to calculated setup for financial gain. But if it's the later, no one will be held accountable, too much victim shaming stigma (unless a fake "victim" were to literally confess on the stand or on tape).
As I said before, for all we know the reality could be anything from Full Cosby to calculated setup for financial gain. But if it's the later, no one will be held accountable, too much victim shaming stigma (unless a fake "victim" were to literally confess on the stand or on tape).
05-03-2018, 12:10 PM
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