Me too.....?
04-30-2018, 08:40 PM
#51
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If you read the comment above, courts don’t usually find innocence. He would have to have video tape or hard proof she is directly lying. And, alleged assailents, unless they are minors, are named all the time. Usually, the victims are protected but she let her name be used.
Usually, it is frowned upon for someone’s supervisor to crawl in the sack with an subordinate, even if consensual. On this trip, he is her supervisor. If she can prove even consensual occurred, I am sure that SkyWest will feel some financial pain.
Usually, it is frowned upon for someone’s supervisor to crawl in the sack with an subordinate, even if consensual. On this trip, he is her supervisor. If she can prove even consensual occurred, I am sure that SkyWest will feel some financial pain.
04-30-2018, 09:15 PM
#52
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That seems to be disputable, at least according to Wikipedia:
Donald Bain revealed in his 2002 memoir Every Midget Has an Uncle Sam Costume: Writing for a Living that he wrote Coffee, Tea or Me? and three sequels while employed as a New York City-based American Airlines public relations person.[1] The publisher hired two Eastern Airlines stewardesses to pose as the authors for book tours and television appearances.[1] As The New York Times columnist Joe Sharkey described in 2010,
Bain himself said, "I wrote it in 1966 while working in public relations for American Airlines, and it went on to spawn an entire genre of wacky comedies, including three direct sequels. All in all, the four books sold more than five million copies worldwide, and became my annuity for almost 17 years.[2]
The Bartholomew House Ltd., a division of Bartell Media Corporation, published a hardcover edition in October 1967,[citation needed] with a second printing in December, and a third in January 1968.[citation needed] Bantam Books, at that time a subsidiary of Grosset & Dunlap, released a paperback edition in November 1968,[citation needed] and had reached its tenth printing by January 1969.[citation needed] Bain was uncredited other than in a dedication, until the 2003 edition, in which he was credited beneath the Baker and Jones byline as "with Donald Bain."[1]
The Penguin Group, the publisher as of the 21st century, describes the book as "adult fiction".[3]
Donald Bain revealed in his 2002 memoir Every Midget Has an Uncle Sam Costume: Writing for a Living that he wrote Coffee, Tea or Me? and three sequels while employed as a New York City-based American Airlines public relations person.[1] The publisher hired two Eastern Airlines stewardesses to pose as the authors for book tours and television appearances.[1] As The New York Times columnist Joe Sharkey described in 2010,
An editor at a publishing house introduced him to two Eastern Airlines stewardesses who thought they together might be able to write a book about their escapades. The editor thought Don might want to be the ghostwriter for the two women. But when Don sat down with them, they didn't have much to offer besides a few anecdotes. "I realized they didn't have enough to sustain a book, and I was going to have to use an awful lot of my own imagination," he told me then. Nevertheless, he was inspired by the idea. So he created a "memoir" out of whole cloth. The book shot onto the best-seller list, and the two stewardesses were delighted to go on the road to publicize it as the authors -- even though their real names were not on the cover. Bedazzled by fame, "one of them legally changed her real name to the one I had given her on the book," Bain told me.[1]
The Bartholomew House Ltd., a division of Bartell Media Corporation, published a hardcover edition in October 1967,[citation needed] with a second printing in December, and a third in January 1968.[citation needed] Bantam Books, at that time a subsidiary of Grosset & Dunlap, released a paperback edition in November 1968,[citation needed] and had reached its tenth printing by January 1969.[citation needed] Bain was uncredited other than in a dedication, until the 2003 edition, in which he was credited beneath the Baker and Jones byline as "with Donald Bain."[1]
The Penguin Group, the publisher as of the 21st century, describes the book as "adult fiction".[3]
05-01-2018, 02:27 AM
#53
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I don’t know how you guys do things at SkyWest, but a CA is not a flight attendant’s supervisor on a layover. A CA doesn’t write performance reports for FAs, hire/fire FAs, or act as a supervisor in any way, except while working on the clock and on the aircraft. Once the duty clock stops and flight duties are over, they are just two employees on a layover. An airline captain is a Pilot in Command, not a chaperone in command.
I am stating the arguments before the jury. The Captain wears four stripes. The FA wears two. I believe SkyWest will have to pay up, particularly before a Washington jury. I suspect this settles out of court.
05-01-2018, 02:47 AM
#54
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No one said anything about being a chaperone in command. Big difference between making sure someone under your command does not do something wrong (a chaparone) and actually being the one who does something wrong (a Captain who takes advantage of FA’s).
I am stating the arguments before the jury. The Captain wears four stripes. The FA wears two. I believe SkyWest will have to pay up, particularly before a Washington jury. I suspect this settles out of court.
I am stating the arguments before the jury. The Captain wears four stripes. The FA wears two. I believe SkyWest will have to pay up, particularly before a Washington jury. I suspect this settles out of court.
05-01-2018, 07:01 AM
#55
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05-01-2018, 07:39 AM
#56
Covfefe
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You can repeat that until you are blue in the face, but it won't fly before a King County jury. And, as Bill Murray said in Meatballs; IT JUST DOESN'T MATTER, because long before the case gets to the jury, the guy has become radioactive. No HR director in a major is going to hire him as long as there is ANY OTHER qualified candidate available.
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05-01-2018, 07:41 AM
#57
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In the words of the great Churchill:
Young men. Never, never, never sleep around.
Or something like that.
Young men. Never, never, never sleep around.
Or something like that.
05-01-2018, 07:41 AM
#58
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The book may well have been fiction, but the way it described the era was accurate according to my older relatives. It was a very exploratory phase in US (and western) culture, and the pendulum swung pretty far... and flight crew were certainly at least keeping up with the pendulum.
Actually it was HIV more than anything else that brought an end to the sexual revolution, and I barely missed it. I was looking forward to college but when I got there we had mandatory freshman AIDs indoc... seems silly today, odds of getting HIV from an 18 year old hetero coed are essentially nil, but we didn't know that at the time and the whole thing was blown way out of proportion.
Actually it was HIV more than anything else that brought an end to the sexual revolution, and I barely missed it. I was looking forward to college but when I got there we had mandatory freshman AIDs indoc... seems silly today, odds of getting HIV from an 18 year old hetero coed are essentially nil, but we didn't know that at the time and the whole thing was blown way out of proportion.
That seems to be disputable, at least according to Wikipedia:
Donald Bain revealed in his 2002 memoir Every Midget Has an Uncle Sam Costume: Writing for a Living that he wrote Coffee, Tea or Me? and three sequels while employed as a New York City-based American Airlines public relations person.[1] The publisher hired two Eastern Airlines stewardesses to pose as the authors for book tours and television appearances.[1] As The New York Times columnist Joe Sharkey described in 2010,
Bain himself said, "I wrote it in 1966 while working in public relations for American Airlines, and it went on to spawn an entire genre of wacky comedies, including three direct sequels. All in all, the four books sold more than five million copies worldwide, and became my annuity for almost 17 years.[2]
The Bartholomew House Ltd., a division of Bartell Media Corporation, published a hardcover edition in October 1967,[citation needed] with a second printing in December, and a third in January 1968.[citation needed] Bantam Books, at that time a subsidiary of Grosset & Dunlap, released a paperback edition in November 1968,[citation needed] and had reached its tenth printing by January 1969.[citation needed] Bain was uncredited other than in a dedication, until the 2003 edition, in which he was credited beneath the Baker and Jones byline as "with Donald Bain."[1]
The Penguin Group, the publisher as of the 21st century, describes the book as "adult fiction".[3]
Donald Bain revealed in his 2002 memoir Every Midget Has an Uncle Sam Costume: Writing for a Living that he wrote Coffee, Tea or Me? and three sequels while employed as a New York City-based American Airlines public relations person.[1] The publisher hired two Eastern Airlines stewardesses to pose as the authors for book tours and television appearances.[1] As The New York Times columnist Joe Sharkey described in 2010,
Bain himself said, "I wrote it in 1966 while working in public relations for American Airlines, and it went on to spawn an entire genre of wacky comedies, including three direct sequels. All in all, the four books sold more than five million copies worldwide, and became my annuity for almost 17 years.[2]
The Bartholomew House Ltd., a division of Bartell Media Corporation, published a hardcover edition in October 1967,[citation needed] with a second printing in December, and a third in January 1968.[citation needed] Bantam Books, at that time a subsidiary of Grosset & Dunlap, released a paperback edition in November 1968,[citation needed] and had reached its tenth printing by January 1969.[citation needed] Bain was uncredited other than in a dedication, until the 2003 edition, in which he was credited beneath the Baker and Jones byline as "with Donald Bain."[1]
The Penguin Group, the publisher as of the 21st century, describes the book as "adult fiction".[3]
05-01-2018, 07:44 AM
#59
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There's how crews see it, but not how a jury will see it. In the 9-5 world the boss is still the boss on a road trip.
05-01-2018, 08:02 AM
#60
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So whats OO’s responsibility’s??? We have many “Crew conflicts”. Pbs has a bid avoid, but thats it.. how do you control if people bump into each other in the airport ect...??? Seems unmanageable.. i know of a case where someone had a restraining order. (Both of them are at different airlines now). but how does the company inforce that, nonrev travel, work, ect...
