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Old 04-29-2018, 07:37 PM
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Aaaaaaaaaand this is a perfect example of why being a slam-clicker is the best way to conduct oneself on layovers. Regardless of whatever did or didn't happen, it's just not worth losing your job over a he said/ she said situation.
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Old 04-29-2018, 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Rahlifer
Aaaaaaaaaand this is a perfect example of why being a slam-clicker is the best way to conduct oneself on layovers. Regardless of whatever did or didn't happen, it's just not worth losing your job over a he said/ she said situation.
There’s a bit of distance between being completely antisocial and having someone wake up in your bed without recollection of the night’s events
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Old 04-29-2018, 08:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Floy
You sound as if you have some knowledge...
I have no knowledge of the events. I don't know any of the people nor do I know any of the facts other than what the accuser stated. I am just going on what she said and it just does not match with the way people act. She appears devoid of any sense of personal responsibility.

Those are the questions I would ask her. Those are the same questions I would ask my daughter if she had claims like that.
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Old 04-29-2018, 09:09 PM
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I have no knowledge of the events. I don't know any of the people nor do I know any of the facts other than what the accuser stated. I am just going on what she said and it just does not match with the way people act. She appears devoid of any sense of personal responsibility.

Those are the questions I would ask her. Those are the same questions I would ask my daughter if she had claims like that.
Please tell me how much experience you have with how people act and should act in the aftermath of sexual assault
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Old 04-29-2018, 09:24 PM
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Why even talk about the consequences? You’re just trying to make victim blaming more vague. There is no behavior which justifies or excuses the consequence of getting sexually assaulted. Nobody is missing your point, it’s simply an asinine “point” to be making
You make the assumption that she was sexually assaulted, when there is more evidence pointing to her having been a participant.

She is obviously not shy about these matters but goes out of her way to tell everyone. She wants to be the center of attention, "look at me, I'm a victim!" Yet she waits until it is too late to preserve evidence that she had been drugged. That was not just evidence that would have shown she was drugged and he was guilty, it was evidence that would show she had not been drugged.

Don't forget the Duke Lacrosse players. The gal made the accusations because she wanted to extort money from the players. The prosector wanted to use the claims to help get reelected. The prosecutor hid the evidence showing the DNA evidence exonerated the accused. The police detective changed the statement of the accuser to match the description of players and to make the claims more believable.

In the end, the accuser went to prison for murdering her boyfriend. The prosecutor was disbarred and went to jail. The police detective committed suicide. The lacrosse players were paid 20 million by the university for punishing the players without any evidence.
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Old 04-30-2018, 02:37 AM
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You make the assumption that she was sexually assaulted, when there is more evidence pointing to her having been a participant.
what evidence, exactly?

She is obviously not shy about these matters but goes out of her way to tell everyone. She wants to be the center of attention, "look at me, I'm a victim!" Yet she waits until it is too late to preserve evidence that she had been drugged. That was not just evidence that would have shown she was drugged and he was guilty, it was evidence that would show she had not been drugged.
So, you’re going to double down on the blaming the (possible, alleged) victim of sexual assault for not acting the way you think they should act, ignoring the fact that women often don’t act perfectly rationally after traumatic assaults.

Don't forget the Duke Lacrosse players. The gal made the accusations because she wanted to extort money from the players. The prosector wanted to use the claims to help get reelected. The prosecutor hid the evidence showing the DNA evidence exonerated the accused. The police detective changed the statement of the accuser to match the description of players and to make the claims more believable.




In the end, the accuser went to prison for murdering her boyfriend. The prosecutor was disbarred and went to jail. The police detective committed suicide. The lacrosse players were paid 20 million by the university for punishing the players without any evidence.
Misdirection/red herrings do no good. This person has nothing to do with duke as far as any of us know, except that she shares a gender with the accuser.
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Old 04-30-2018, 04:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Rahlifer
Aaaaaaaaaand this is a perfect example of why being a slam-clicker is the best way to conduct oneself on layovers. Regardless of whatever did or didn't happen, it's just not worth losing your job over a he said/ she said situation.
You don't have to slam click, just follow two rules...

Don't be alone in a bedroom ever with anyone that you're not really good friends with. Not even for a moment.

If the drinking pushes your comfort level (or company/FAA limits), leave and suggest everyone else knock it off too. You can get in trouble for even being aware that other crew violated alcohol limits, but if you walk away before it gets out of hand, you have plausible deniability.
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
You don't have to slam click, just follow two rules...

Don't be alone in a bedroom ever with anyone that you're not really good friends with. Not even for a moment.

If the drinking pushes your comfort level (or company/FAA limits), leave and suggest everyone else knock it off too. You can get in trouble for even being aware that other crew violated alcohol limits, but if you walk away before it gets out of hand, you have plausible deniability.
Slam-clicking reduces the need for setting up an alibi. It’s a job, not a frat party. I can actually go four days without alcohol, unlike most regional pilots. 🙄🙄
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Old 04-30-2018, 07:17 AM
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Words matter. Despite what some attorney may say, this is an alleged sexual assault. And despite the fact that several posters on this thread would prefer the opposite, we still have due process in this country (for now.) This guy's life is being ruined with no proof.

Let's let it play out in court, not the court of APC.
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Old 04-30-2018, 07:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Excargodog
Good, bad, coulda, shoulda, woulda, - that isn't today's reality. The woman is suing the company under a Washington State law - the same one that the FO at Alaska is using, that holds employers responsible for assuring that junior people aren't sexually harassed by their supervisors. This is civil litigation and the standard of proof is far lower than in a criminal proceedings. AND IT IS IN THE COMMON DOMAIN, that is anyone can pull up the case filings.

And I think it is pretty much like Rickair states, while your PRESENT company may stick by you, because it is in their interests to do so, you have now become radioactive. Why should a major accept the risk of hiring a guy who has had one such allegation against him? Because even if the guy was innocent, he will already have one strike against him if this happens again, and clearly he MIGHT have done it and be prone to doing it again. Why take the chance?

Gentlemen, no rational guy in this day and age ought to be taking the professional risk of these type of relationships on layovers. Even if it's just a total misunderstanding, your future career could easily take a lethal hit.
Absolutely correct; whether he is 100% guilty or innocent, he’s effed. The woman is always right, especially in states like WA. His name will get dragged through the mud even if he is innocent.
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