Me too.....?
#31
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Joined APC: Jan 2015
Posts: 571
Aaaaaaaaaand this is a perfect example of why being a slam-clicker is the best way to conduct oneself on layovers. Regardless of whatever did or didn't happen, it's just not worth losing your job over a he said/ she said situation.
#32
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Joined APC: Sep 2016
Posts: 6,811
There’s a bit of distance between being completely antisocial and having someone wake up in your bed without recollection of the night’s events
#33
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Joined APC: Jul 2017
Posts: 171
I have no knowledge of the events. I don't know any of the people nor do I know any of the facts other than what the accuser stated. I am just going on what she said and it just does not match with the way people act. She appears devoid of any sense of personal responsibility.
Those are the questions I would ask her. Those are the same questions I would ask my daughter if she had claims like that.
Those are the questions I would ask her. Those are the same questions I would ask my daughter if she had claims like that.
#34
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I have no knowledge of the events. I don't know any of the people nor do I know any of the facts other than what the accuser stated. I am just going on what she said and it just does not match with the way people act. She appears devoid of any sense of personal responsibility.
Those are the questions I would ask her. Those are the same questions I would ask my daughter if she had claims like that.
Those are the questions I would ask her. Those are the same questions I would ask my daughter if she had claims like that.
#35
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Joined APC: Jan 2018
Position: F-152, F-172
Posts: 69
She is obviously not shy about these matters but goes out of her way to tell everyone. She wants to be the center of attention, "look at me, I'm a victim!" Yet she waits until it is too late to preserve evidence that she had been drugged. That was not just evidence that would have shown she was drugged and he was guilty, it was evidence that would show she had not been drugged.
Don't forget the Duke Lacrosse players. The gal made the accusations because she wanted to extort money from the players. The prosector wanted to use the claims to help get reelected. The prosecutor hid the evidence showing the DNA evidence exonerated the accused. The police detective changed the statement of the accuser to match the description of players and to make the claims more believable.
In the end, the accuser went to prison for murdering her boyfriend. The prosecutor was disbarred and went to jail. The police detective committed suicide. The lacrosse players were paid 20 million by the university for punishing the players without any evidence.
#36
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Posts: 6,811
She is obviously not shy about these matters but goes out of her way to tell everyone. She wants to be the center of attention, "look at me, I'm a victim!" Yet she waits until it is too late to preserve evidence that she had been drugged. That was not just evidence that would have shown she was drugged and he was guilty, it was evidence that would show she had not been drugged.
Don't forget the Duke Lacrosse players. The gal made the accusations because she wanted to extort money from the players. The prosector wanted to use the claims to help get reelected. The prosecutor hid the evidence showing the DNA evidence exonerated the accused. The police detective changed the statement of the accuser to match the description of players and to make the claims more believable.
In the end, the accuser went to prison for murdering her boyfriend. The prosecutor was disbarred and went to jail. The police detective committed suicide. The lacrosse players were paid 20 million by the university for punishing the players without any evidence.
In the end, the accuser went to prison for murdering her boyfriend. The prosecutor was disbarred and went to jail. The police detective committed suicide. The lacrosse players were paid 20 million by the university for punishing the players without any evidence.
#37
Don't be alone in a bedroom ever with anyone that you're not really good friends with. Not even for a moment.
If the drinking pushes your comfort level (or company/FAA limits), leave and suggest everyone else knock it off too. You can get in trouble for even being aware that other crew violated alcohol limits, but if you walk away before it gets out of hand, you have plausible deniability.
#38
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Joined APC: Jan 2015
Posts: 571
You don't have to slam click, just follow two rules...
Don't be alone in a bedroom ever with anyone that you're not really good friends with. Not even for a moment.
If the drinking pushes your comfort level (or company/FAA limits), leave and suggest everyone else knock it off too. You can get in trouble for even being aware that other crew violated alcohol limits, but if you walk away before it gets out of hand, you have plausible deniability.
Don't be alone in a bedroom ever with anyone that you're not really good friends with. Not even for a moment.
If the drinking pushes your comfort level (or company/FAA limits), leave and suggest everyone else knock it off too. You can get in trouble for even being aware that other crew violated alcohol limits, but if you walk away before it gets out of hand, you have plausible deniability.
#39
Words matter. Despite what some attorney may say, this is an alleged sexual assault. And despite the fact that several posters on this thread would prefer the opposite, we still have due process in this country (for now.) This guy's life is being ruined with no proof.
Let's let it play out in court, not the court of APC.
Let's let it play out in court, not the court of APC.
#40
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Joined APC: Jul 2016
Posts: 463
Good, bad, coulda, shoulda, woulda, - that isn't today's reality. The woman is suing the company under a Washington State law - the same one that the FO at Alaska is using, that holds employers responsible for assuring that junior people aren't sexually harassed by their supervisors. This is civil litigation and the standard of proof is far lower than in a criminal proceedings. AND IT IS IN THE COMMON DOMAIN, that is anyone can pull up the case filings.
And I think it is pretty much like Rickair states, while your PRESENT company may stick by you, because it is in their interests to do so, you have now become radioactive. Why should a major accept the risk of hiring a guy who has had one such allegation against him? Because even if the guy was innocent, he will already have one strike against him if this happens again, and clearly he MIGHT have done it and be prone to doing it again. Why take the chance?
Gentlemen, no rational guy in this day and age ought to be taking the professional risk of these type of relationships on layovers. Even if it's just a total misunderstanding, your future career could easily take a lethal hit.
And I think it is pretty much like Rickair states, while your PRESENT company may stick by you, because it is in their interests to do so, you have now become radioactive. Why should a major accept the risk of hiring a guy who has had one such allegation against him? Because even if the guy was innocent, he will already have one strike against him if this happens again, and clearly he MIGHT have done it and be prone to doing it again. Why take the chance?
Gentlemen, no rational guy in this day and age ought to be taking the professional risk of these type of relationships on layovers. Even if it's just a total misunderstanding, your future career could easily take a lethal hit.