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Old 04-01-2018, 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by 35Right
What is the reason for people not wanting to voluntarily upgrade? Dont want to lose their relative bidding seniority?
Vacation, good schedule living in base, family obligations, to many to list. Im sure the company computer for tracking time is off from what pilots log. And its only as good at what you told them for flight time when you go hired..
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Old 04-01-2018, 02:48 PM
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Look at the bid awards. Count how many FO’s upgrading awards. Then look at the DVR and count up the open positions on the bid... 15 awarded. 40 openings on the bid. And they have been calling people..
This is not accurate. I along with about 25 others were not awarded upgrade. VD said they decided to scale back classes, no explaination why. However if you look at attrition for the month it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out that with 38 FOs leaving in one month they can’t afford to let ppl upgrade.

For those that are looking at Skywest, you have to ask yourself why would 38 FOs leave? Well I’ll tell you I hate it here right now. I’m 65% in a western base, I’m about to start another 4day, it will be 3 weeks in a row of only 2 days off, oh and April is supposedly a down month. I had 10 days off in February and that was awarded. We’re being paid far less than our competitors, can’t help but feel like we’re getting taken advantage of.

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Old 04-01-2018, 03:04 PM
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This is not accurate. I along with about 25 others were not awarded upgrade. VD said they decided to scale back classes, no explaination why. However if you look at attrition for the month it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out that with 33 FOs leaving in one month they can’t afford to let ppl upgrade.



For those that are looking at Skywest, you have to ask yourself why would 33 FOs leave? Well I’ll tell you I hate it here right now. I’m 65% in a western base, I’m about to start another 4day, it will be 3 weeks in a row of only 2 days off, oh and April is supposedly a down month. I had 10 days off in February and that was awarded. We’re being paid far less than our competitors, can’t help but feel like we’re getting taken advantage of.


10 days off in February... that one is on you not knowing how to bid.... 12 days off, that’s company standard these days. Anything less than 12 off is your PBS bid settings.


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Old 04-01-2018, 03:15 PM
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10 days off in February... that one is on you not knowing how to bid.... 12 days off, that’s company standard these days. Anything less than 12 off is your PBS bid settings.


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I’m DMA which is hard lines. With the carry-in pairings, it amounted to 10 days off. Because the ppm states PBS and DMA doesn’t use PBS, CS wouldn’t budge so I had to suck it up and work the schedule.
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Originally Posted by Rocksteady
This is not accurate. I along with about 25 others were not awarded upgrade. VD said they decided to scale back classes, no explaination why. However if you look at attrition for the month it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out that with 38 FOs leaving in one month they can’t afford to let ppl upgrade.

For those that are looking at Skywest, you have to ask yourself why would 38 FOs leave? Well I’ll tell you I hate it here right now. I’m 65% in a western base, I’m about to start another 4day, it will be 3 weeks in a row of only 2 days off, oh and April is supposedly a down month. I had 10 days off in February and that was awarded. We’re being paid far less than our competitors, can’t help but feel like we’re getting taken advantage of.
You can expect that TA within the next 2-3 weeks with a massive SAPA sales pitch!
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You can expect that TA within the next 2-3 weeks with a massive SAPA sales pitch!
Plus heavy pressure from Management and the training department.
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Old 04-01-2018, 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Rocksteady
This is not accurate. I along with about 25 others were not awarded upgrade. VD said they decided to scale back classes, no explaination why. However if you look at attrition for the month it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out that with 38 FOs leaving in one month they can’t afford to let ppl upgrade.

For those that are looking at Skywest, you have to ask yourself why would 38 FOs leave? Well I’ll tell you I hate it here right now. I’m 65% in a western base, I’m about to start another 4day, it will be 3 weeks in a row of only 2 days off, oh and April is supposedly a down month. I had 10 days off in February and that was awarded. We’re being paid far less than our competitors, can’t help but feel like we’re getting taken advantage of.
Of course we are being taken advantage of! Our representation is paid by the entity we are negotiating with, this is lunacy!

There’s a reason why every medium size airline and larger has negotiation paid by the pilot group, a union!

We are truly are own worse enemies!
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Originally Posted by Rocksteady
I’m DMA which is hard lines. With the carry-in pairings, it amounted to 10 days off. Because the ppm states PBS and DMA doesn’t use PBS, CS wouldn’t budge so I had to suck it up and work the schedule.


Oh I didn’t know that. That’s terrible. I’m sorry man.


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You can expect that TA within the next 2-3 weeks with a massive SAPA sales pitch!
What TA? You guys are non union so CC can change the rules whenever he wants.
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What TA? You guys are non union so CC can change the rules whenever he wants.
That's false. The agreement is a contract signed by reps from both parties, and legally has the same force as a union CBA. In order to enforce that, you'd have to go to court. Remember RLA still applies to airline labor groups, union or not.
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