How long to expect?
01-28-2018, 01:45 PM
#21
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The instructors I've talked with TODAY, said fails are up. And these are guys that hardly ever fail people.
SkyWest doesn't care if you necessarily succeed, they just want your body in a seat.......
They just need pilots, they don't care who it is.
It's just business.
And you can't deny the pay at Endeavor is far better!
SkyWest doesn't care if you necessarily succeed, they just want your body in a seat.......
They just need pilots, they don't care who it is.
It's just business.
And you can't deny the pay at Endeavor is far better!
01-28-2018, 03:24 PM
#22
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Joined APC: Jul 2008
Posts: 4,252
The instructors I've talked with TODAY, said fails are up. And these are guys that hardly ever fail people.
SkyWest doesn't care if you necessarily succeed, they just want your body in a seat.......
They just need pilots, they don't care who it is.
It's just business.
And you can't deny the pay at Endeavor is far better!
SkyWest doesn't care if you necessarily succeed, they just want your body in a seat.......
They just need pilots, they don't care who it is.
It's just business.
And you can't deny the pay at Endeavor is far better!
01-28-2018, 03:33 PM
#23
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Posts: 802
That being said, I hear they dumbed down the Systems test and that failure rate has diminished some.
01-28-2018, 04:32 PM
#24
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The amount of students not getting signed off has gone way up. That is a reported fail on a pilot's PRIA. They eventually get finished, but now with a ding on their record.
That being said, I hear they dumbed down the Systems test and that failure rate has diminished some.
That being said, I hear they dumbed down the Systems test and that failure rate has diminished some.
01-28-2018, 09:57 PM
#26
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[QUOTE=Check Complete;2513982]The amount of students not getting signed off has gone way up. That is a reported fail on a pilot's PRIA. They eventually get finished, but now with a ding on their record.
Not getting signed off is NOT considered a training failure, and nothing is reported on PRIA.
Don't know where your are getting your info, but it is inaccurate.
Only not passing a KV or MV is reportable
Not getting signed off is NOT considered a training failure, and nothing is reported on PRIA.
Don't know where your are getting your info, but it is inaccurate.
Only not passing a KV or MV is reportable
01-28-2018, 10:47 PM
#27
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Joined APC: Mar 2011
Position: 737 FO
Posts: 2,676
The amount of students not getting signed off has gone way up. That is a reported fail on a pilot's PRIA. They eventually get finished, but now with a ding on their record.
That being said, I hear they dumbed down the Systems test and that failure rate has diminished some.
That being said, I hear they dumbed down the Systems test and that failure rate has diminished some.
01-29-2018, 02:44 AM
#28
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If a person fails the indoc test, that’s strike 1.
If the same person finally passes the indoc and has a failure on the Sysytems Validation, they are terminated and the termination is reported on PRIA.
On to sim-
If a person cannot be signed off for either the Manuver Validation or the LOE, they are given 1 additional sim session without a report to PRIA. If the same person has had a failure of the indoc test or the SV that now becomes “strike 2”. Any more than that it is reported as a training failure. There is an additional sim session now prior to the LOE, that has helped.
The biggest stat is not getting signed off for the MV, that is where people are having the most problems with. In this case, they get up to 10hours of sim time to get to a sign off point. If not, they are terminated and again another PRIA reported event.
In either case where the applicant is not able to take the MV or the LOE after 2 hours of their 10 hour allotment, that is a training fail reported to PRIA. If this was their third strike, they are terminated.
The report I saw yesterday was that the training failures have substantially increased over the past 36 months and the training dept expects that to further increase as in coming experience declines.
Their words, not mine.
Reference the PPM, and PRIA requirements for a full definition.
It’s just business.....
If the same person finally passes the indoc and has a failure on the Sysytems Validation, they are terminated and the termination is reported on PRIA.
On to sim-
If a person cannot be signed off for either the Manuver Validation or the LOE, they are given 1 additional sim session without a report to PRIA. If the same person has had a failure of the indoc test or the SV that now becomes “strike 2”. Any more than that it is reported as a training failure. There is an additional sim session now prior to the LOE, that has helped.
The biggest stat is not getting signed off for the MV, that is where people are having the most problems with. In this case, they get up to 10hours of sim time to get to a sign off point. If not, they are terminated and again another PRIA reported event.
In either case where the applicant is not able to take the MV or the LOE after 2 hours of their 10 hour allotment, that is a training fail reported to PRIA. If this was their third strike, they are terminated.
The report I saw yesterday was that the training failures have substantially increased over the past 36 months and the training dept expects that to further increase as in coming experience declines.
Their words, not mine.
Reference the PPM, and PRIA requirements for a full definition.
It’s just business.....
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