DirkDiggler

Just because you are union doesn't mean a merger. You can go Teamsters or start your own independent union. Not many at XJT would want that either. It would generally mean concessions.

DirkDiggler

That whole line of thinking that ALPA only represents majors, conflict of interest etc doesn't apply to Teamsters or your own union. There is nothing wrong with having pilots pay for their own representation and fund their own negotiators at the bargaining table. Nobody has really explained why Skywest pilots think it's a good idea for pilot negotiators to be paid by management.

Nevjets

My understanding is that she wasn't even given the opportunity to upgrade, didn't even get a class assigned.

Maybe the requirement to call a MOD exist for certain circumstances of sick calls? I know one captain who was fired for calling in sick in the middle of a trip, the case I alluded to earlier. I don't know but I'm not sure why anybody should have to talk to a Cheif pilot to call in sick regardless if it was 2004 or 2003.

DirkDiggler

Well you can bet you butt the regional CEO's, Bedford, Ornstein, Child's, are colluding at the RAA meetings on how to collectively keep pilots costs in line so they don't drive each other out of business. So pilots should be doing the same. For instance, if the XJT pilots came out tomorrow and said "hey we'll take a 20% cut across the board if you give us new planes and grow us and not the other side." What do you think management would say to Skywest side.... "Hey guys, XJT is going to take concessions, either you do too or else." See how this whipsaw can go back and forth until both pilot groups are essentially working for nothing. Unions represent solidarity and a common class of labor working for the same cause. It doesn't need to be ALPA. Just friendly discussions together to keep the pilots interests first, not management. Always keep that in mind, XJT could totally undercut Skywest and it could go the other way.

I won't be there for much longer so I'm just asking the questions that many have but may have never asked.

TheFly

Dirk, you sound really pathetic. You don't work for SkyWest Airlines yet you're hell-bent on us having a union. Please stop.

Skyhawk121

Dumbest thing I have read all day. How do you suppose XJT would undercut SkyWest. You know that both airlines have the same CEO right? Do you honestly think INC would let something like that happen?

Again, since you are not even a SkyWest Airlines pilot, why do you give a d@mn about there not being a union on property? It doesn't have any impact on you in any way shape or form. Sounds like someone interviewed at SkyWest and wasn't offered a position.

Nevjets

If people think that places like mesa, TSA, endeavor, etc would've been better off without a union, then I would only guess that they are not really attuned with their situations. Most pilots are ignorant of that and take their representation for granted.

Plus, a pilot union is a lot more than just about a contract and how bad or good it is.




Why in your mind do you feel SkyWest is in no need of a union anyway? Always curious why someone who doesn't even work for the carrier is so concerned with its union situation? This some sort of "brotherhood" thing?

DirkDiggler

You must be new...or know nothing about business. Probably both. They are two separate airlines by the same holding company. You think that if XJT pilots came in tomorrow and said we'll do it for 20% less than Skywest only if you give us the new planes, management will say "No Thanks, we like paying more"? What are you smoking... Shareholder interests are always first in a publicly traded company. Period. Btw, I'm not advocating at all for any of that, I would never advocate for a penny less in this environment. Just throwing scenarios out there. Why are you people so defensive?

GearUpHeadDown

Can we please put this stupid union thread to rest and find something else to complain about? It won't do us any good and we are a much better airline without the drama associated with it. We have it better than every other "contract carrier" and are growing in spite of one. Dont bite the hand that feeds you.

Skyhawk121

Sorry, wrong on both accounts. Though I guess that depends on how many years you feel someone needs to complete before no longer being new. 20?? okay I am still new if that is the case, but I have been here for several years. I also have a business degree, so I know business very well. I know full well that they are two separate airlines that are owned by the same holding company, but guess who makes all of the really big decisions, the answer to that is SkyWest INC. Both COOs EV and OO work for Chip because he serves as the president for both airlines. I think people are "defensive" because no one like unsolicited opinions from people that have absolutely nothing to do with the topic they are trying to talk about. You don't know SkyWest, just because you work at EV, that doesn't mean jack.