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07-03-2017, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by CBreezy

I wouldn't put too much faith in the details of a publication like that. Most likely designed by an intern or over worked graphic designer

And why would a graphic designer have that in his/her library of options if it wasn't considered. This folks just drag and drop from huge libraries.

And that publication is the official AA on-board magazine...

07-03-2017, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Duesenflieger

So I'm guessing those 175s are heading to DFW or ORD.... Maybe PHX/LAX.

Not DFW. PHX and maaaaabye ORD. Only reason I would believe ORD is because they're holding a lot of pilots there.

07-03-2017, 10:13 AM

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It's also on the Dash-8.... So unless we are planning to add some of those to our fleet....

No it's not.

07-03-2017, 10:25 AM

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"XxyXxxx"
Ha.

07-03-2017, 10:55 AM

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"XxyXxxx"
Ha.

I guess SkyEast Airlines is taking delivery of Dashes.

07-03-2017, 11:37 AM

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News on the new Skywest pay package

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Originally Posted by amcnd

Oh boy. Your asking for it. (You will get every answer but what you aked for) . Basically the same thing, a bigger bonus, more 401k, and 2% on current payrates..

What bonus do you get? Are you referring to profit sharing or a performance bonus?

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Originally Posted by amcnd

Well some one I talked to had a good pount. That it passed "perfectly". 56% Not enough to give the company the we have them feeling a 80% pass would have..And it was reaffirmed by the sapa email last night. The great thing about being "non-union" is they are starting to work on-non pay QOL items right now...

The closer to 50%+1, the better job management did negotiating. The closer to 100%, the better job the pilots did negotiating.

As for QOL improvements, it's always better to gain those when you have the leverage of also negotiating something management wants, like increase in first year pay. Once that leverage is gone, QOL gains are smaller. The fact that management will now entertain QOL improvements after this vote, proves that. Chess and checkers...

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Originally Posted by amcnd

It doesn't. But in my experience with a union airline. Not much got done in between contract cycles..

Where does your pilot union experience come from? For example, at xjt, there are 28 letters of agreement and 48 memorandums of understanding. That's about 5 QOL improvements a year. ASA has even more, endeavor has a ton. This is the norm, many changes between contracts.

07-03-2017, 12:09 PM

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The closer to 50%+1, the better job management did negotiating. The closer to 100%, the better job the pilots did negotiating.

Exactly. Management is laughing their asses off right now, at our expense. Management's first offer is never, ever their best offer. They would be in breach of their fiduciary responsibility to shareholders if it was. Accepting their first offer was an embarrassing display of a lack of sophistication at negotiating.

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Originally Posted by Nevjets

As for QOL improvements, it's always better to gain those when you have the leverage of also negotiating something management wants, like increase in first year pay. Once that leverage is gone, QOL gains are smaller. The fact that management will now entertain QOL improvements after this vote, proves that. Chess and checkers...

Absolutely. And we will get nothing that costs the company anything. No increases in MDG or trip rigs, no guaranteed min days off, no out-of-base parking for commuters, no decreases in reserve buffers, no PBS changes. Count on it.