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Old 07-03-2017, 05:59 AM
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Well some one I talked to had a good pount. That it passed "perfectly". 56% Not enough to give the company the we have them feeling a 80% pass would have..And it was reaffirmed by the sapa email last night. The great thing about being "non-union" is they are starting to work on-non pay QOL items right now...
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Old 07-03-2017, 06:30 AM
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Well some one I talked to had a good pount. That it passed "perfectly". 56% Not enough to give the company the we have them feeling a 80% pass would have..And it was reaffirmed by the sapa email last night. The great thing about being "non-union" is they are starting to work on-non pay QOL items right now...
Most unions sign letters of agreement between contract cycles. Working on improving QOL isn't a non-union thing.
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Old 07-03-2017, 06:35 AM
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are you sure about that? if that were really the case then I cant see how any FO would ever vote yes to this... I also never read anything which made me think that was something that was on the table..

Either way terrible vote and I realize that the pilot group at least 56% of em it would seem are spineless company men.

If anything I do hope new hires realize this and go somewhere else where their future will be for the next 6 - 8 years anyways.
Soft landings is in effect for expressjet pilots, but they can't come from there to here. They have to go somewhere else like frontier then come over. 2.0 which is almost finalized is for any carrier.
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Old 07-03-2017, 06:38 AM
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What does improving QOL at an airline have to do with having a union or not? I'm not trying to say that we need a union to get QOL enhancements at OO, but the way that some of you denigrate the concept of having a union makes me think that you will be hard-pressed to fit in at a union air carrier of your choice one day.
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Old 07-03-2017, 07:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Squallrider
Soft landings is in effect for expressjet pilots, but they can't come from there to here. They have to go somewhere else like frontier then come over. 2.0 which is almost finalized is for any carrier.
Wait, people can come over from any airline and keep their seniority in not only pay but bidding too?
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Old 07-03-2017, 07:31 AM
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Originally Posted by aperfcrcle
Wait, people can come over from any airline and keep their seniority in not only pay but bidding too?


+1.

The way I understood it, is that they maintain pay at their current rate at other carrier, but still fall in line seniority-wise like a new hire.

Which is it?


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Old 07-03-2017, 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Duesenflieger
What does improving QOL at an airline have to do with having a union or not? I'm not trying to say that we need a union to get QOL enhancements at OO, but the way that some of you denigrate the concept of having a union makes me think that you will be hard-pressed to fit in at a union air carrier of your choice one day.
It doesn't. But in my experience with a union airline. Not much got done in between contract cycles..
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Old 07-03-2017, 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by aperfcrcle
Wait, people can come over from any airline and keep their seniority in not only pay but bidding too?
You can come over with pay longevity...... not sure if there is a cap.

As far as bidding for schedule and bases you will start like a new hire.

Again, the details have not been made public.
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Old 07-03-2017, 08:32 AM
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Costs needed to be known before bidding on new flying, huh?

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Old 07-03-2017, 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Blackwing
Costs needed to be known before bidding on new flying, huh?

Don't underestimate the detective abilities of OO pilots lol
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