EdwinR

The pay raise will come from th promotion to capt.

Kerizbro

Under the current pay rates, what can a new hire expect monthly? What about picking up overtime, what is a realistic first year salary?

Duesenflieger

If it's ERJ flying, we are overstaffed. Talk to any reservist FO in ORD; they sit around up to a month hoping that someone will drop a trip. If it should be more CRJ flying, we are well understaffed on both FO and especially CAs. Good luck dropping anything if you are a CRJ pilot.

Duesenflieger

I hope you're willing to commute for that upgrade...lord have mercy on your soul if you're based out west.

If we do theoretically get more planes, it will marginally affect my QOL in Chicago. Most of the movement will be in other bases. So frankly I can care less for more flying.

EdwinR

We are getting more Alaskan aircraft 175 and going to fly some more 700 for them. More 175 for DL very soon, a small amount less than 10 but they will be configured for 65 people. A bunch of CRJ airplanes out of DFW/phx for AA. More DL 175 in a year or two, large number almost exactly equaling what another regional is flying for them now and will expire soon.

Duesenflieger

...all rumors until announced officially by the company. Not that I wouldn't want to see it, though. I just don't feel like the grapevine warrants voting yes.

EdwinR

Well then, I think it does.

Nevjets

No 737 model meets the requirement for UAL to increase the amount of flying they outsource to regionals. They are currently scoped out.

Once you stop complaining, you stop advancing your pay and work rules. You don't see it in other places because it's done differently. You get promotions and raises differently in other industries. Here, you have to keep asking for more (or trying to keep what you have in a down economy) when you have the opportunity for more, like when your company made $206 million last year and has been the most profitable regional in history. It's not personal so no need to complain about the complaining.



My response was in context to management saying they will get a lot more aircraft if this passes. If it's just reshuffling existing aircraft from another regional(s) to Skywest, then there must have been an RFP as someone else alluded to. So the question is, has Skywest already won the RFP? Also, if this is xjt flying, which is going from about 130 ERJ145s to 100 by the end of the year (before shutting down), then it would be more profitable for Skywest to do that flying even if you had bigger pay raises in this pay package you are voting on. Probably the same with RAH and definitely AWAC.




I think the problem will come down to being able to attract enough pilots to even consider doing the flying regionals currently have. Other than the wholly owned where mainline can throw money at, all regionals will deal with this more and more as majors hire in the next five years. Voting yes or no will not change that other than management "locking" you in for the next five tumultuous years. That's what they see and this is their answer. It takes leverage away from pilots when locking into any long term deals at a time when things change on a yearly basis.

SMACFUM

First, you don't need an MBA to see industry and labor trends, and their impact on market forces. You just need to open your eyes.

Second, people aren't complaining about "everything" and "anything". We're trying to maximize our leverage to gain the most we can out of this agreement before getting locked in for the next 5 years. It's negotiating, not a hand out. Stop being so eager to jump on the FIRST offer.

Third, I'd guess the reason you've never seen anything like this in your previous career is that you weren't under collective bargaining in your prior career. This industry isn't like others, even though we don't have a union we negotiate as a group. This is how it works, contention is part of it.

Finally, STOP capitulating pay for growth and new airplanes. Stop conflating the two issues of pay and growth!!! They are independent issues. It's that mentality and thinking which perpetuates the **** pay we have in this industry. You are part of the problem!!!

Squallrider

Consider what CRJ staffing is...now ask yourself why a company (like all regionals) keeps staffing at a minimal...now ask yourself why there are so many FOs on the 175 in the most junior base, otherwise known as storage.


Everyone and their mother has a MBA.