News on the new Skywest pay package
06-15-2017, 03:47 PM
#521
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Joined APC: Sep 2006
Position: ERJ CA
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Ripping off shareholders totally illegal.
Gee, I wonder who wrote those laws...
06-15-2017, 06:43 PM
#523
Line Holder
Joined APC: Feb 2007
Posts: 72
Easy now everyone with what is legal and what is not. Just because someone granted a black robe decrees something is the law, it does not mean that it is what the legislators of the relevant statute or the framers of the Constitution intended. Yes, it does for the time being have the force of law, but be careful relying on case law for your righteousness. Even worse, as pilots, we are subjected to Administrative Law Judges, which as a constitutional matter, should not exist because they "on their face" violate separation of powers. The executive branch is not endowed with and was not supposed to be allowed to exercise the power of the judicial branch.
Not saying anyone is right or wrong, just trying to add context.
Not saying anyone is right or wrong, just trying to add context.
06-16-2017, 07:21 AM
#524
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Posts: 146
06-16-2017, 07:55 AM
#525
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I didn't say it will happen..I said it can happen. And there have been many political prisoners over the years who have been active to bring unions on property and those who are active in the union against the company. They'll never be fired because of their organizing efforts, but companies have been known to use line checks, PCs, historical on-time data against outspoken pilots. If people want to start organizing against the company that is highly anti-union, their I's better be dotted and their T's crossed.
06-16-2017, 08:59 AM
#526
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Joined APC: May 2017
Posts: 733
Relax. Federal law actually prevents that, probably got fired for something else. Employees can talk about anything generally labor related. This is legally pretty broad coverage, and allows very derogatory talk about the company as long as it's related to labor issues.
You could say "the company is a bunch crooks who rip off their employees" or "the CEO rapes labor"
You probably can't say " the company is a bunch of crooks who rip off their shareholders" or "the CEO molests children"...unless you had proof, or it was in the news.
Now all of that said, there's no such thing as the first amendment in the private sector...so they can fire you if you cross the line. Best way to get management fired up: trash talk them personally, by name, in a profane manner.
You could say "the company is a bunch crooks who rip off their employees" or "the CEO rapes labor"
You probably can't say " the company is a bunch of crooks who rip off their shareholders" or "the CEO molests children"...unless you had proof, or it was in the news.
Now all of that said, there's no such thing as the first amendment in the private sector...so they can fire you if you cross the line. Best way to get management fired up: trash talk them personally, by name, in a profane manner.
06-16-2017, 09:03 AM
#527
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I didn't say it will happen..I said it can happen. And there have been many political prisoners over the years who have been active to bring unions on property and those who are active in the union against the company. They'll never be fired because of their organizing efforts, but companies have been known to use line checks, PCs, historical on-time data against outspoken pilots. If people want to start organizing against the company that is highly anti-union, their I's better be dotted and their T's crossed.
06-16-2017, 11:27 AM
#528
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Joined APC: Jan 2006
Position: Engines Turn Or People Swim
Posts: 40,275
I think you should do a little more light reading. Unless you are in a state that has a covenent of good faith exemption or if your contract doesn't say you can't be fired for anything other than just cause, you ABSOLUTELY can be terminated without cause.
You saying most are at will and none of them can be fired without cause is an oxymoron. The entire premise of being at will is you can leave when you want and the company can make you leave when they want.
You saying most are at will and none of them can be fired without cause is an oxymoron. The entire premise of being at will is you can leave when you want and the company can make you leave when they want.
Plus essentially all employers abrogate any claim they might have had to at will employment by their HR processes...they use a lengthy process to document problems and attempts to correct the problem before firing anyone. Once they've set that precedent, they cannot apply a different standard to you just because they don't like how you part your hair.
06-16-2017, 11:33 AM
#529
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Joined APC: May 2009
Posts: 2,035
Thought they couldn't prove it was his hand writing.??.. Anyway, we have all the same stuff XJT does. (Minus there b-fund, and a shrinking fleet!!) just a different color of lipstick. .. wonder why?? Oh ya. The company says they have to may weird contract issues... MX having to do double checks, ect... I just droped 3 locals in 30 seconds... now i have 5 days off.. going to enjoy my fathers day weeked, and i hope all you fathers out there do to..
Let me guess, you and "Utah" are based in SLC? There are lots of us that are senior to you, who have little to no control over our schedules. Our pairings have been extremely inefficient(our locals are all at minimum credit, and even 2, 3 and 4 days that are at min credit or half the duty time every day) for several years running. We're doing a bunch of short 5 and 6 leg former EMB-120 legs. I had a new hire in my jumpseat that was getting higher credit for his 2 leg local than I was for my 8 leg 2 day trip, and he was complaining his schedule. We are denied all vacation, drops, and swaps due to "insufficient staffing".
We have been below minimum reserves almost every single day for many years. Quality of life issues need addressing, growth will only make these issues worse!
06-16-2017, 12:15 PM
#530
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Posts: 733
That's the theory. The reality is that if you get fired without any obvious reason, you're going to get a payday in court. Your peers on the jury are going to see it your way because they don't believe in at will employment any more than they believe in the tooth fairy.
Plus essentially all employers abrogate any claim they might have had to at will employment by their HR processes...they use a lengthy process to document problems and attempts to correct the problem before firing anyone. Once they've set that precedent, they cannot apply a different standard to you just because they don't like how you part your hair.
Plus essentially all employers abrogate any claim they might have had to at will employment by their HR processes...they use a lengthy process to document problems and attempts to correct the problem before firing anyone. Once they've set that precedent, they cannot apply a different standard to you just because they don't like how you part your hair.
Whatever you're smoking, puff, puff, pass.
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