Originally Posted by amcnd

In 1997 your career expectations was a tubo prop captain maxing out at 60k a year... now its easy to make north of 140k a year flying a all jet fleet.. hard to compare that...

Originally Posted by amcnd

In 1997 your career expectations was a tubo prop captain maxing out at 60k a year... now its easy to make north of 140k a year flying a all jet fleet.. hard to compare that...

Originally Posted by Squallrider

Personally even if they double the increase (unlikely) I'd only make maybe $150 more a month, where if I growth happens and I could move up 40 spots for instance in base I'd make that and then some and have a better schedule. Like others have mentioned I'm on the fence about whether growth will happen or not, I'm leaning towards that it will. They have to do something to compete for recruiting eventually, and this isn't it, some of the bonuses at other regionals are expiring soon (and no I don't believe for a second they will be rolled into hourly rates)

Originally Posted by Turbosina

Russ:

1. The pay package is a pay cut in real terms. It does not match the CPI rate of increase, even when you include the larger 401k match.

2. The only reason the pay package is bigger now ($110 vs $42M) is that the size of the pilot group is much larger. The $110 vs $42 comparison is meaningless. What matters is compensation per pilot, not the size of the total package.

3. At the very least, SGU should have a concrete possibility of new flying to discuss. They expect us to vote based on a rumour we heard from a guy who knows a guy who knows a guy? Do they think we're that dumb? (Answer: yes, apparently).

4. The supply/demand curve has never been more tilted in favor of pilots than it is now. I've been flying professionally in one form or another since 1997, and I've never seen it this good. Yet you advocate we settle for what is a pay cut in real terms. Why?

Disappointed but not surprised to see that SAPA approved this for a vote.

Originally Posted by prc4prc

Appreciate the SAPA president coming on the forum. Since this is all anonymous, that takes some courage based upon how childish some of the name calling can degenerate too!

If someone could say that without a yes vote, absolutely no growth would occur, i'd vote yes.

Since no one is saying that, the even money says that growth will occur regardless.

How much money is the new flying worth in terms of revenue and profit over the length of this extension? Revenue = Billions of dollars? With a big "B"!

The company is not going to risk that opportunity without a second offer ready to go if we say no.

I'm not saying we should be selfish and rake the company over the coals, not saying we need ALPA, not saying we don't like working here.

I'm saying that we have nothing to lose to see what the second offer is.

The only way to find out is with a no vote.

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Originally Posted by flyer4food

It's worth noting in 2006 we all agreed to a pay agreement that was 1% in year 1, 0% in year 2, 3 & 4. The last pay agreement was 1.5% every 18 months for 3 years. That same agreement was worth about $42 million while this one is valued at over $110 million. Even if you count per capita value each year it's nearly double. As far as I can find we've never been offered a 2% scale raise and the 4 year timeline is low compared to other contracts. Long story short, it may not be enough, but it's certainly better than we've ever been offered.

-Russ