News on the new Skywest pay package
06-02-2017, 06:51 PM
#261
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For the new guys...
A while back, SKW told the pilot group that we'd get the CRJ-700 if we agreed to a horrible pay package. If we voted it down, those places would go elsewhere.
After lots of debate, the package passed at 8 pm.
Perhaps one hour later, the -700s were announced, along with all the details as to partners, bases, etc.
Anyone with half a brain could see that the planes were coming here anyways, regardless of what the vote was. You don't secure a whole bunch of flying, and a whole new airframe, in an hour.
Bottom line? The typical management line is, 'accept this lousy agreement, or take a pay cut, and only then will you get more flying, or not lose flying.' These decisions are already made long before the vote, but management realizes that some of us are dumb enough to fall for it.
The amazing thing is that they keep using the same tactic and people keep buying into it.
A while back, SKW told the pilot group that we'd get the CRJ-700 if we agreed to a horrible pay package. If we voted it down, those places would go elsewhere.
After lots of debate, the package passed at 8 pm.
Perhaps one hour later, the -700s were announced, along with all the details as to partners, bases, etc.
Anyone with half a brain could see that the planes were coming here anyways, regardless of what the vote was. You don't secure a whole bunch of flying, and a whole new airframe, in an hour.
Bottom line? The typical management line is, 'accept this lousy agreement, or take a pay cut, and only then will you get more flying, or not lose flying.' These decisions are already made long before the vote, but management realizes that some of us are dumb enough to fall for it.
The amazing thing is that they keep using the same tactic and people keep buying into it.
Fully agree. We have a smart management team. And they see an opportunity to dominate the regional market. They will take it - regardless.
06-02-2017, 07:02 PM
#262
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06-02-2017, 07:06 PM
#263
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For the new guys...
A while back, SKW told the pilot group that we'd get the CRJ-700 if we agreed to a horrible pay package. If we voted it down, those places would go elsewhere.
After lots of debate, the package passed at 8 pm.
Perhaps one hour later, the -700s were announced, along with all the details as to partners, bases, etc.
Anyone with half a brain could see that the planes were coming here anyways, regardless of what the vote was. You don't secure a whole bunch of flying, and a whole new airframe, in an hour.
Bottom line? The typical management line is, 'accept this lousy agreement, or take a pay cut, and only then will you get more flying, or not lose flying.' These decisions are already made long before the vote, but management realizes that some of us are dumb enough to fall for it.
The amazing thing is that they keep using the same tactic and people keep buying into it.
A while back, SKW told the pilot group that we'd get the CRJ-700 if we agreed to a horrible pay package. If we voted it down, those places would go elsewhere.
After lots of debate, the package passed at 8 pm.
Perhaps one hour later, the -700s were announced, along with all the details as to partners, bases, etc.
Anyone with half a brain could see that the planes were coming here anyways, regardless of what the vote was. You don't secure a whole bunch of flying, and a whole new airframe, in an hour.
Bottom line? The typical management line is, 'accept this lousy agreement, or take a pay cut, and only then will you get more flying, or not lose flying.' These decisions are already made long before the vote, but management realizes that some of us are dumb enough to fall for it.
The amazing thing is that they keep using the same tactic and people keep buying into it.
06-02-2017, 07:29 PM
#264
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Joined APC: Jul 2016
Posts: 72
For the new guys...
A while back, SKW told the pilot group that we'd get the CRJ-700 if we agreed to a horrible pay package. If we voted it down, those places would go elsewhere.
After lots of debate, the package passed at 8 pm.
Perhaps one hour later, the -700s were announced, along with all the details as to partners, bases, etc.
Anyone with half a brain could see that the planes were coming here anyways, regardless of what the vote was. You don't secure a whole bunch of flying, and a whole new airframe, in an hour.
Bottom line? The typical management line is, 'accept this lousy agreement, or take a pay cut, and only then will you get more flying, or not lose flying.' These decisions are already made long before the vote, but management realizes that some of us are dumb enough to fall for it.
The amazing thing is that they keep using the same tactic and people keep buying into it.
A while back, SKW told the pilot group that we'd get the CRJ-700 if we agreed to a horrible pay package. If we voted it down, those places would go elsewhere.
After lots of debate, the package passed at 8 pm.
Perhaps one hour later, the -700s were announced, along with all the details as to partners, bases, etc.
Anyone with half a brain could see that the planes were coming here anyways, regardless of what the vote was. You don't secure a whole bunch of flying, and a whole new airframe, in an hour.
Bottom line? The typical management line is, 'accept this lousy agreement, or take a pay cut, and only then will you get more flying, or not lose flying.' These decisions are already made long before the vote, but management realizes that some of us are dumb enough to fall for it.
The amazing thing is that they keep using the same tactic and people keep buying into it.
And those ppl jizzing about the 401k better be 15 yrs plus because if your anything less than 10 yrs with OO and your excited, I'm worried about you
06-02-2017, 07:48 PM
#265
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Posts: 155
SkyWest is a great place to be on this part of the career totem pole. The deal is fair for who we are. I know contracts are juicy meat for complaining, but in any other profession if a boss offered you a raise you would take it and say thank you.
The absence of QOL improvements was the only thing missing. That being said, our work rules (aside from reserve) aren't that bad to begin with.
This "get all you can" mentality has doomed other airlines in the past. Let's not have that happen here..
06-02-2017, 07:53 PM
#266
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Look what's happening to XJT? They came to us early and offered us a raise in order to project costs for new flying. I know it's a pilots job to complain about everything, but at some point you have to be thankful we don't have the same problems as most other regionals. If you want to make more, there are other companies out there who sell their own tickets. They can do this, a contract carrier is limitied in what they can offer.
SkyWest is a great place to be on this part of the career totem pole. The deal is fair for who we are. I know contracts are juicy meat for complaining, but in any other profession if a boss offered you a raise you would take it and say thank you.
The absence of QOL improvements was the only thing missing. That being said, our work rules (aside from reserve) aren't that bad to begin with.
SkyWest is a great place to be on this part of the career totem pole. The deal is fair for who we are. I know contracts are juicy meat for complaining, but in any other profession if a boss offered you a raise you would take it and say thank you.
The absence of QOL improvements was the only thing missing. That being said, our work rules (aside from reserve) aren't that bad to begin with.
06-02-2017, 09:05 PM
#268
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Position: Left Seat
Posts: 392
For the new guys...
A while back, SKW told the pilot group that we'd get the CRJ-700 if we agreed to a horrible pay package. If we voted it down, those places would go elsewhere.
After lots of debate, the package passed at 8 pm.
Perhaps one hour later, the -700s were announced, along with all the details as to partners, bases, etc.
Anyone with half a brain could see that the planes were coming here anyways, regardless of what the vote was. You don't secure a whole bunch of flying, and a whole new airframe, in an hour.
Bottom line? The typical management line is, 'accept this lousy agreement, or take a pay cut, and only then will you get more flying, or not lose flying.' These decisions are already made long before the vote, but management realizes that some of us are dumb enough to fall for it.
The amazing thing is that they keep using the same tactic and people keep buying into it.
A while back, SKW told the pilot group that we'd get the CRJ-700 if we agreed to a horrible pay package. If we voted it down, those places would go elsewhere.
After lots of debate, the package passed at 8 pm.
Perhaps one hour later, the -700s were announced, along with all the details as to partners, bases, etc.
Anyone with half a brain could see that the planes were coming here anyways, regardless of what the vote was. You don't secure a whole bunch of flying, and a whole new airframe, in an hour.
Bottom line? The typical management line is, 'accept this lousy agreement, or take a pay cut, and only then will you get more flying, or not lose flying.' These decisions are already made long before the vote, but management realizes that some of us are dumb enough to fall for it.
The amazing thing is that they keep using the same tactic and people keep buying into it.
This is the best post I have read, the best reality check.
06-02-2017, 11:04 PM
#269
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Position: ERJ CA
Posts: 1,082
But with such trivial gains and no improvements to things like reserve buffers there's no way we should be agreeing to anything more than a 2 year extension to the current agreement.
06-02-2017, 11:11 PM
#270
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Joined APC: Apr 2016
Posts: 155
No, I just choose to see things in their proper context. It's not as fun as complaining about how much a gold bar weighs, but it is what it is..
Last edited by GearUpHeadDown; 06-02-2017 at 11:29 PM.
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