News on the new Skywest pay package
05-31-2017, 02:27 PM
#121
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Joined APC: Jul 2007
Position: ERJ CA
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Respectfully, you don't know what you're talking about. I came from Mesa and yes, the pay sucks, but there are facets of their work agreement that are better than SkyWest's BECAUSE they are ALPA. A short list:
- A decent PBS system. Mesa uses the same PBS software that Delta and Hawaiian use, so it's already been pretty thoroughly vetted. It actually honors seniority, doesn't pull the "replaced/not awarded due to line constraints" b.s. ours does, and if you tell it to stop adding trips after it reaches the credit window, it actually stops. I've only scratched the surface here but it's WAY better than the system we have.
- Mesa pilots are paid block or better, not this historical credit or better scheme. Yes, they lack many of the pay protections but if mainline says a leg takes 2:12, you're getting at least 2:12, regardless of whether previous crews have flown it in an average of 1:48.
- We get 5 golden days a year here, Mesa pilots get 3 golden days EVERY MONTH.
- Lastly, and to your last point, I can think of only one or two pilots who were fired during my time there, and several more who got a slap on the wrist for stuff that would've gotten them fired here...all because they had ALPA lawyers available to them with just one phone call.
The thing is, the list is a short one for things better at Mesa and quite a long one for things that are better at SkyWest.
05-31-2017, 02:32 PM
#122
Prime Minister/Moderator
Joined APC: Jan 2006
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MOD INPUT: Ok we've done the obligatory union horse beating, but since we're not going to vote in ALPA in time for this pay deal, lets get back the original topic. No need for further discussion on how great the union has made life at mesa. Thanks.
05-31-2017, 03:23 PM
#123
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Haha. Rick for MEC chair...or president...or whatever the hell we call it.
05-31-2017, 04:03 PM
#125
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Position: 175 CA
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Rumor at school house is initial 30 175s going to a 100, mostly Delta (I thought they were maxed on scope but I guess adding NBs increases about of 175s). SLC is floating around as a 175 base which means a lot of senior ppl will vote yes.
Supposedly with bonuses it's a 10% pay increase but we will see soon. Lots of rumors flying around that's when you know a pay package is imminent.
Supposedly with bonuses it's a 10% pay increase but we will see soon. Lots of rumors flying around that's when you know a pay package is imminent.
05-31-2017, 04:38 PM
#126
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Wait a minute. Last I checked discussing a union wasn't against the TOS or rules of this forum. So your exercising your MOD privladges to stop discussion of a topic just because your personally tired of talking about it? That seems a little heavy handed, no?
05-31-2017, 04:51 PM
#127
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I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt and point out that there's an entire subform for union talk and that even starting a separate union debate thread in the Skywest subform would probably be fine.
05-31-2017, 04:51 PM
#128
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Rumor at school house is initial 30 175s going to a 100, mostly Delta (I thought they were maxed on scope but I guess adding NBs increases about of 175s). SLC is floating around as a 175 base which means a lot of senior ppl will vote yes.
Supposedly with bonuses it's a 10% pay increase but we will see soon. Lots of rumors flying around that's when you know a pay package is imminent.
Supposedly with bonuses it's a 10% pay increase but we will see soon. Lots of rumors flying around that's when you know a pay package is imminent.
More new aircraft orders? I thought we were in the last of the deliveries of 175s? Are you saying there are more coming to Skywest?
05-31-2017, 04:52 PM
#129
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I think he simply meant we are getting side tracked. I believe he's saying to start a new thread on the topic of a union if we want to keep discussing it.
05-31-2017, 05:01 PM
#130
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Joined APC: Apr 2013
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There are guys that have hire dates from a year ago on the list that have still not started class. I know one that I referred that has been on the list for almost a month and still hasn't started class. You can think what you want but not all of those guys are here yet.
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