News on the new Skywest pay package
08-21-2017, 04:54 AM
#1201
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Maybe after they get a year's worth of trips under their belt so they can judge for themselves areas in the contract that are lacking? Something tells me a big-eyed new hire that has been fed Skywest flavored Kool-Aid for 3 months may struggle to generate an objective decision on their future. This is ESPECIALLY true when you start saying the word upgrades and growth.
08-21-2017, 07:17 AM
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08-21-2017, 10:56 AM
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For a true comparison, you have to look at total compensation (wages, per diem, sick and injury pay, 401k matching and contributions, profit sharing, insurance cost sharing) and divide by total number of block hours flown for pilots at the same longevity.
It wouldn't surprise me to see Skywest pilots having greater compensation considering how productive you're forced to be (low vacation and sick accrual, no PBS caps on credit time, etc). That's why you need to look at it in reference to total block hours flown.
08-21-2017, 11:06 AM
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For a true comparison, you have to look at total compensation (wages, per diem, sick and injury pay, 401k matching and contributions, profit sharing, insurance cost sharing) and divide by total number of block hours flown for pilots at the same longevity.
It wouldn't surprise me to see Skywest pilots having greater compensation considering how productive you're forced to be (low vacation and sick accrual, no PBS caps on credit time, etc). That's why you need to look at it in reference to total block hours flown.
It wouldn't surprise me to see Skywest pilots having greater compensation considering how productive you're forced to be (low vacation and sick accrual, no PBS caps on credit time, etc). That's why you need to look at it in reference to total block hours flown.
But not sure why everyone thinks vacay accrual is low...I get six weeks/year. And that's with almost 3 months mil leave/year.
Accrual may be higher due to higher productivity, but vacation offsets the forced productivity too.
08-21-2017, 03:00 PM
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News on the new Skywest pay package
This is correct, got to divide what you get by what you give.
But not sure why everyone thinks vacay accrual is low...I get six weeks/year. And that's with almost 3 months mil leave/year.
Accrual may be higher due to higher productivity, but vacation offsets the forced productivity too.
But not sure why everyone thinks vacay accrual is low...I get six weeks/year. And that's with almost 3 months mil leave/year.
Accrual may be higher due to higher productivity, but vacation offsets the forced productivity too.
That's my point. Skywest is probably the only airline whose vacation accrual is directly proportional to credit time. For example, at xjt, whether you get a line with 75 or 95 (or even if you drop to 60) hours, you accrue the same amount of vacation days, which are all worth 3.75 hours. And that's not even saying anything about the abysmal accrual rate Skywest has to begin with!
This alone increases productivity by a substantial margin over everyone else.
By the way, doing the math and assuming you are at the highest vacation hour accrual longevity, you would need to credit about 113 hours for twelve months. (2.5 hours for 42 days [6 weeks] divided by .0769 [20+ years longevity]).
Last edited by Nevjets; 08-21-2017 at 03:13 PM.
08-21-2017, 03:16 PM
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I use my user timer for vacation too. Essentially never get sick (healthy lifestyle).
08-21-2017, 06:08 PM
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I think all the guys in my new hire class voted 'yes' because SAPA came into class and gave a big song and dance about upgrades and basically said 'you'll be doing the right thing by voting yes...' When you're new to a company without a lot of first hand knowledge or access to other points of view, and the pres of SAPA says 'vote yes,' you vote 'yes.' We weren't aware of selling out our fellow pilots. With the benefit of hindsight, I probably wouldn't have voted at all.
08-21-2017, 08:52 PM
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Right, at 7 days of user credit per year? That still requires you to credit at least 95 hours a month for 12 months, assuming maximum longevity for user credit and vacation accrual. That is still absurdly productive! I must be getting something wrong.
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