News on the new Skywest pay package
08-17-2017, 04:01 PM
#1171
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News on the new Skywest pay package
Your class date at a major.
Are you talking about block or better? Well I'd rather have anything related to QOL, higher hourly rate, etc, etc. At SKW we get paid "arbitrary assigned credit" or better, but since actual block is almost always higher than "arbitrary assigned credit" we tend to get paid block or better anyway unless you fly around on the barber-pole or the whole thing cancels.
Are you talking about block or better? Well I'd rather have anything related to QOL, higher hourly rate, etc, etc. At SKW we get paid "arbitrary assigned credit" or better, but since actual block is almost always higher than "arbitrary assigned credit" we tend to get paid block or better anyway unless you fly around on the barber-pole or the whole thing cancels.
It was in reference to your comment about block or better but I wasn't talking about anything specific. That's why I was asking you the question. I was more interested in your last comment about more important things to negotiate. I don't know what you were referring to.
So higher hourly pay and QOL related things were more important. How did that work out? It seems like you guys did get a small percentage pay rate increase and a 401k higher matching but I don't recall QOL items.
And how does someone negotiate their class date at a major? I'm not sure I'm following you there.
08-17-2017, 04:06 PM
#1172
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The whole point of the regional system is lower costs, you cannot overcome that paradigm...one way or another.
08-17-2017, 05:30 PM
#1173
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Look, I love my job, love working with the other crew members, I am easy to fly with but I hate corporate with a passion and this is the proper place to counter their propaganda. I'll gladly waste a few minutes of my day to come on here and complain.
08-17-2017, 06:39 PM
#1174
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I'm sorry, did you say "negotiate"?
There was no real negotiation on this last TA. Management said "here's our offer", SAPA said "thank you oh kind and benevolent overlords; no, no lube necessary".
I don't think anyone at SAPA knows what the word means. The terms of this last TA were flat-out dictated by management, who are now laughing all the way to the bank over how easy it was to dupe 54% of us into accepting that POS.
There was no real negotiation on this last TA. Management said "here's our offer", SAPA said "thank you oh kind and benevolent overlords; no, no lube necessary".
I don't think anyone at SAPA knows what the word means. The terms of this last TA were flat-out dictated by management, who are now laughing all the way to the bank over how easy it was to dupe 54% of us into accepting that POS.
A no vote would have made it clear to SAPA and the company that we wanted a serious offer.
08-17-2017, 06:42 PM
#1175
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I don't believe those have to be mutually exclusive like your implying. I've been doing apps and whining on the forums. In your logic you probably shouldn't be looking at these forums at all, instead maybe you should be filling out more apps.
Look, I love my job, love working with the other crew members, I am easy to fly with but I hate corporate with a passion and this is the proper place to counter their propaganda. I'll gladly waste a few minutes of my day to come on here and complain.
Look, I love my job, love working with the other crew members, I am easy to fly with but I hate corporate with a passion and this is the proper place to counter their propaganda. I'll gladly waste a few minutes of my day to come on here and complain.
Nothing ever changes without a little complaining and rocking the boat a bit.
08-17-2017, 10:28 PM
#1176
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Position: 737 FO
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Your class date at a major.
Are you talking about block or better? Well I'd rather have anything related to QOL, higher hourly rate, etc, etc. At SKW we get paid "arbitrary assigned credit" or better, but since actual block is almost always higher than "arbitrary assigned credit" we tend to get paid block or better anyway unless you fly around on the barber-pole or the whole thing cancels.
Are you talking about block or better? Well I'd rather have anything related to QOL, higher hourly rate, etc, etc. At SKW we get paid "arbitrary assigned credit" or better, but since actual block is almost always higher than "arbitrary assigned credit" we tend to get paid block or better anyway unless you fly around on the barber-pole or the whole thing cancels.
08-18-2017, 06:35 AM
#1177
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It dawned on me recently, why did we vote yes under the promise of more flying when in reality UAL and DAL are scoped out, AA is focused on the wholly owneds and AS is small and niche. Like did nobody realize this ? Pay/qol was the only thing we could've negotiated and we dropped the ball.
08-18-2017, 06:56 AM
#1178
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It dawned on me recently, why did we vote yes under the promise of more flying when in reality UAL and DAL are scoped out, AA is focused on the wholly owneds and AS is small and niche. Like did nobody realize this ? Pay/qol was the only thing we could've negotiated and we dropped the ball.
08-18-2017, 07:15 AM
#1180
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I can't imagine those contracts being particularly lucrative considering basically the same operating cost but with 8 percent fewer seats. Just seems to me like all that's left are scraps, unless another carrier drops the ball. And From the looks of it, every regional is at least scraping by despite the widespread protestations of a pilot shortage, it really is just a staffing pinch, not an industry or contract threatening factor.
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