News on the new Skywest pay package
07-17-2017, 06:24 AM
#992
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Nope. Each month they come up with a new average number. It is typically somewhere in the 85-90 range. If one were to try to bid for less than that months "required average" PBS would force an extra day/trip on your schedule so you meet that average.
07-17-2017, 07:47 AM
#994
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I was recently at the SkyWest Cadet Orientation @ SLC and they were telling us most line pilots were being blocked for close to 80-95 hours and receiving credit for 120-125 hours a month. How accurate is their information? I'd budget off of minimum guarantee, but knowing what the upward potential is can help with expectation management at home.
07-17-2017, 08:21 AM
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I was recently at the SkyWest Cadet Orientation @ SLC and they were telling us most line pilots were being blocked for close to 80-95 hours and receiving credit for 120-125 hours a month. How accurate is their information? I'd budget off of minimum guarantee, but knowing what the upward potential is can help with expectation management at home.
The only pilots that average that are in the training department . Remember we can only block a 1000 hours in a rolling 12 months period.
My highest PBS bid awarded in the last 2-3 years has been 89 hours. 3 years or so ago I had one with 99 hours credit.
Another thing to consider here is our "historical credit". A typical 4 day might show 21 hours of block but only credit 19 hours of pay. When PBS builds lines it looks at both of those numbers. Obviously it can't give you more than the legal amount of block for the month...
IF PBS gives you say 4 four day trips with a total of 90 hours of block for the month it will be very difficult to pick up any additional flying. Maybe one local or a standup or two. If that happens every month after 10 or 11 months you are going to start running into legality problems and PBS will limit your flying. I'm not sure where they are at now, but in the past if you timed out you are not pay protected.
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07-17-2017, 08:25 AM
#996
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FAA limits with some buffers.
The senior guys doing split duties will build their lines to 110-120 hours of credit with 30-50 hours of block. Others might bid down in credit.
The company publish what the average line value per seat/domicile will be every month. I don't know how close they come to it. If you're lucky/senior enough you can bid down to 58 hours or so. It then forces that flying onto the junior guys and they'll get more hours than the average. - Instead of mid 80s it might be up to high 90s.
I have had nicer pairings that paid less taken away by PBS to do a higher paying trip in order to meet "line constraints". As in it needed to give me more credit for the month. (split duty taken away in exchange for a 2 day)
The senior guys doing split duties will build their lines to 110-120 hours of credit with 30-50 hours of block. Others might bid down in credit.
The company publish what the average line value per seat/domicile will be every month. I don't know how close they come to it. If you're lucky/senior enough you can bid down to 58 hours or so. It then forces that flying onto the junior guys and they'll get more hours than the average. - Instead of mid 80s it might be up to high 90s.
I have had nicer pairings that paid less taken away by PBS to do a higher paying trip in order to meet "line constraints". As in it needed to give me more credit for the month. (split duty taken away in exchange for a 2 day)
07-17-2017, 08:35 AM
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I was recently at the SkyWest Cadet Orientation @ SLC and they were telling us most line pilots were being blocked for close to 80-95 hours and receiving credit for 120-125 hours a month. How accurate is their information? I'd budget off of minimum guarantee, but knowing what the upward potential is can help with expectation management at home.
07-17-2017, 08:47 AM
#998
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Airlines used to have pay caps where the airline was not allowed to pay a pilot more than X hours per month. I believe American had the lowest at 68 although it probably went up in the summer.
Most airlines were around 74 or 75.
My airline was 80 although it would be moved up to 85 in the summer. If you went over 85 you would not get the pay, it would go into your bank and you could not draw it out unless you were below the cap.
You must keep apples so you can compare them to other apples. Look at the hourly rate might be a good idea. If you work at Uber and average 30 per hour, you cannot work 2 hours and brag to your friends that you make 60 per hour. Your pay is 30.
Unfortunately, pilots now like to work their tails off so they can rationalize their higher pay, "I'm a 6 year captain and I make 100,000 easily!" Always wanting to be the optimist.
You might want to be more honest and phrase it like this: "I am a CAPTAIN for Skywest Airlines and I make $59280 as a second year Captain. I also steal $42000 from my wife and family by leaving them so that I can rationalize and tell my friends that I make 101280."
Most airlines were around 74 or 75.
My airline was 80 although it would be moved up to 85 in the summer. If you went over 85 you would not get the pay, it would go into your bank and you could not draw it out unless you were below the cap.
You must keep apples so you can compare them to other apples. Look at the hourly rate might be a good idea. If you work at Uber and average 30 per hour, you cannot work 2 hours and brag to your friends that you make 60 per hour. Your pay is 30.
Unfortunately, pilots now like to work their tails off so they can rationalize their higher pay, "I'm a 6 year captain and I make 100,000 easily!" Always wanting to be the optimist.
You might want to be more honest and phrase it like this: "I am a CAPTAIN for Skywest Airlines and I make $59280 as a second year Captain. I also steal $42000 from my wife and family by leaving them so that I can rationalize and tell my friends that I make 101280."
If you want typical captain numbers here they are. 11 years seniority with a pay rate of $88. Average monthly line of 87 hours. That's about $92K. Plus another $6k in bonuses and another $2K in holiday pay. $100k would be average. Some make a lot more on average. Some give away a lot of trips a make a lot less. This airline isn't staffed with a bunch of 2 year captains.
I'll agree that amount is way too low.
Plenty of senior pilots in SLC making $140K+, and they don't work in the training department. Those guys are $180K+
07-17-2017, 08:52 AM
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No one here is getting minimum monthly guarantee year round unless they want to.
If you want typical captain numbers here they are. 11 years seniority with a pay rate of $88. Average monthly line of 87 hours. That's about $92K. Plus another $6k in bonuses and another $2K in holiday pay. $100k would be average. Some make a lot more on average. Some give away a lot of trips a make a lot less. This airline isn't staffed with a bunch of 2 year captains.
I'll agree that amount is way too low.
Plenty of senior pilots in SLC making $140K+, and they don't work in the training department. Those guys are $180K+
If you want typical captain numbers here they are. 11 years seniority with a pay rate of $88. Average monthly line of 87 hours. That's about $92K. Plus another $6k in bonuses and another $2K in holiday pay. $100k would be average. Some make a lot more on average. Some give away a lot of trips a make a lot less. This airline isn't staffed with a bunch of 2 year captains.
I'll agree that amount is way too low.
Plenty of senior pilots in SLC making $140K+, and they don't work in the training department. Those guys are $180K+
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