News on the new Skywest pay package
05-30-2017, 04:57 PM
#91
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If they want to create bad blood that lasts for years and years afterward, sure. However, your management team doesn't have a history of unfettered ruthlessness in that regard, unlike some other airlines' management teams.
05-30-2017, 07:13 PM
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05-30-2017, 07:44 PM
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They could care less about any employee. They are here to make money and payroll is a liability. The cheaper they can get it the more they pay themselves. Chip and the other execs have seen their compensation increase by 60% and he is asking for a pay freeze again. He is selling the same line as last time. I just hope we aren't stupid enough to vote it in.
05-30-2017, 10:10 PM
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I have no doubt that if alpa got voted in, it would be like 10 years in a sand trap. Company dragging out a contract.. in those 10 years we would fall super behind... how long have some airlines been in Contract negotiations....??.. long time.. so that being said most guys/gals dont want alpa voted in...
They have a business to run. And part of running that business is hiring pilots to fly their airplanes. They need to stay competitive in the hiring of pilots. Stalling pay negotiations does the opposite of that. Period. Union or not.
You think they're coming to us one year early to get an extension on our page agreement just because they like us? Because they want to do something good for us? Come on......... no, because they need to, in order to execute their long-term business plans.
05-30-2017, 10:33 PM
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A pilot union is a lot more than a contract. If you are not part of a pilot union, you are not helping with issues that affect the entire industry. But whenever I've ever mentioned that to skywest pilots, they get annoyed for some strange reason. The ones who make it to another carrier, usually get it once they are there paying dues.
Typical reaction from SkyWest pilots when taking about the legal protections and organizational benefits from unions that are not pay related. "But, 2% of my pay......La La La La La"
Strange. Don't hear them complaining at all about their unions when they leave SkyWest for a mainline carrier. Funny how their opinion changes so quickly.
I guess my point was, if the stuff really hits the fan for an average line pilot for one reason or another and the company is looking to terminate you, would SAPA send a lawyer paid for on your behalf, or would they throw you under the bus and side with management? ALPA doesn't really do much for us except offer some comfort in knowing that they have and will send lawyers, have sued the company when necessary and got jobs back when people were wrongfully terminated. Pro stands and all that other stuff is nice, but the real power is the lawyers and the fight they will put up on your behalf. Is the SAPA 'contract' or 'handbook' enforceable through court proceedings or can they change it at will? I really can't compare ALPA and SAPA because I was never a member of SAPA, but I know there is some benefit to collective bargaining.
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05-30-2017, 10:57 PM
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Did you not read that Amcnd had an ALPA pin? I think you underestimate the number of SkyWest pilots that came from an ALPA carrier. Or have worked at a union airline.
Most of the guys you interpret as going la la la have lived through an ALPA regional. So they're not just ignoring an opinion, they have seen what a union offers at the regional level and have decided that it's not beneficial.
The guys that are ok with unions at the majors are living a different reality. The biggest argument against ALPA at the regionals is Mesa. What has ALPA done for Mesa pilots? Has their legal protection done much for them?
At the legacies there's more money even at 2%. Larger compensation means 2% is a bigger total dollar amount, especially on the scale of the legacy airlines.
Most of the guys you interpret as going la la la have lived through an ALPA regional. So they're not just ignoring an opinion, they have seen what a union offers at the regional level and have decided that it's not beneficial.
The guys that are ok with unions at the majors are living a different reality. The biggest argument against ALPA at the regionals is Mesa. What has ALPA done for Mesa pilots? Has their legal protection done much for them?
At the legacies there's more money even at 2%. Larger compensation means 2% is a bigger total dollar amount, especially on the scale of the legacy airlines.
05-31-2017, 01:38 AM
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- A decent PBS system. Mesa uses the same PBS software that Delta and Hawaiian use, so it's already been pretty thoroughly vetted. It actually honors seniority, doesn't pull the "replaced/not awarded due to line constraints" b.s. ours does, and if you tell it to stop adding trips after it reaches the credit window, it actually stops. I've only scratched the surface here but it's WAY better than the system we have.
- Mesa pilots are paid block or better, not this historical credit or better scheme. Yes, they lack many of the pay protections but if mainline says a leg takes 2:12, you're getting at least 2:12, regardless of whether previous crews have flown it in an average of 1:48.
- We get 5 golden days a year here, Mesa pilots get 3 golden days EVERY MONTH.
- Lastly, and to your last point, I can think of only one or two pilots who were fired during my time there, and several more who got a slap on the wrist for stuff that would've gotten them fired here...all because they had ALPA lawyers available to them with just one phone call.
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