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Old 09-10-2015, 08:09 AM
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I stand corrected! Hadn't seen these close-ups before.

It confirms for me this thing was seconds from being a conflagration, with probable loss of life.

(Although I wonder if it was a fuel-leak from the engine, vs the wing).

And the right nacelle clearly says GE90.

Fwiw, my previous post wasn't about correcting you, 38. Just adding the latest known info. When I first saw the pics, I was thinking the same thing you were re: tire/brake fire, although the amount of smoke was puzzling and didn't add up.
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Originally Posted by baseball
was this a hull loss?
No. It was fixed 24 hrs later and sold to Malaysia Airlines where it was put in service and took off. They are looking for it now.
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Old 09-10-2015, 10:23 AM
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Why does everyone think it's a tire/brake failure?

Look at the gear and tires. Gear looks untouched in regards to damage and fire related damage.

IMHO, this would have ended up better had they gotten airborne.
They would have received the ENG FIRE msg and blown the bottle (which is certified for in flight anyway) and extinguished the fire.
Then dump some fuel and land.
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Old 09-10-2015, 10:33 AM
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The initial shots looked like it was coming from the gear, and a high-energy abort often ends in burning tires.

Agreed, the struts look un-charred...but I'd guess they might have put new tires on it to tow it off the runway.
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Old 09-10-2015, 11:24 AM
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The pic posted in this thread with all the peeps running away clearly shows gear trucks not burning, with fire visible well forward at the wing root. I'm going with rotor burst cut a fuel line, presumably the one feeding the motor, and maybe got the wing tank too.
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Old 09-10-2015, 12:09 PM
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http://youtu.be/jBnj5OGravc

Strictly from my perspective, thought the crew did a fantastic job with the evac, as did the Clark County FD ARFF crews. Had the fire knocked down in about 90 seconds after opening up on it. Impressive all around.


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NTSB Issues Update on the British Airways Engine Fire at Las Vegas

Sept. 10, 2015

As part of its ongoing investigation into Tuesday’s engine fire that occurred during takeoff of British Airways flight 2276, a Boeing 777, at McCarran International Airport (LAS), the NTSB today released the following investigative update.

NTSB investigators arrived on scene Wednesday morning local time to begin the on-scene investigation. The NTSB investigative team includes experts in powerplants, airplane systems, and fire. The following groups will be organized: powerplants, airworthiness (airplane structure, systems, and fire), flight data recorder and cockpit voice recorder.

Parties to the NTSB investigation are the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), The Boeing Company, and GE Aviation. In accordance with the International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO) Annex 13, the UK Air Accidents Investigations Branch (AAIB), as the State of the Operator, has appointed an accredited representative to assist the investigation. The UK accredited representative has initially appointed British Airways and the UK Civil Aviation Authority as technical advisors.

The following are the initial factual findings:

• British Airways flight 2276, a Boeing 777-200ER, equipped with two GE90-85B engines, registration G-VIIO, was operating under the provisions of 14 Code of Federal Regulations (CFR) Part 129 and was enroute to London - Gatwick Airport (LGW), Horley, England.

• There were 157 passengers, including 1 lap child, and 13 crew members on board. There were several minor injuries as a result of the evacuation (mostly abrasions).

• The flight data recorder, cockpit voice recorder and quick access recorder have arrived at the NTSB Vehicle Recorder Laboratory and are currently being downloaded.

• On Tuesday evening, the airplane was photographed and the runway debris documented by FAA and airport officials before airplane was towed to secluded area of the airport (in order to reopen the runway).

• Initial examination of the left engine revealed multiple breaches of the engine case in the area around the high pressure compressor.

• Examination of the material recovered from runway found several pieces of the high pressure compressor spool (approximately 7-8 inches in length).

• Initial examination of the airplane by NTSB revealed that the left engine and pylon, left fuselage structure and inboard left wing airplane were substantially damaged by the fire. This damage will be documented over the next several days.

The powerplants and airworthiness groups will continue documenting the airplane and engine over the next several days. It is anticipate that once the tooling is in place, the left engine will be removed and shipped to a facility to conduct a full teardown.
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Originally Posted by LNL76
I don't think any airline includes it in safety demo. Most pax don't pay attention, for the most part. Sad.
I've seen pix of luggage with red line through it on demo cards, but most pax don't bother looking at it.
From being tortured with those safety videos a thousand times I can assure you that the vast majority DO mention it somewhere. Now I fly myself and don't fly commercial a great deal.

For example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?t=115&v=WqAAQ0ZZMyw
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Wow that video is pathetic.
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Old 09-11-2015, 02:48 AM
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Originally Posted by RI830
Why does everyone think it's a tire/brake failure?

Look at the gear and tires. Gear looks untouched in regards to damage and fire related damage.

IMHO, this would have ended up better had they gotten airborne.
They would have received the ENG FIRE msg and blown the bottle (which is certified for in flight anyway) and extinguished the fire.
Then dump some fuel and land.
Or it would've ended up as two smoking holes, one for the left wing and one for the rest of the ship. Not likely with such a robust airframe but that damage at the wing root is spooky.
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