Second door-maybe now it's not too expensive
#21
Shyguy, the other benefits to the two-door system are no need for the silly drink-cart barricade that the FA's do on some flights when the single door is opened, or the "vulnerable period" where the one guy leaves and the FA is entering, etc. When outer door locked inner door can be always bypassed preventing lockout. I'm not necessarily a fan, but I do see the possible logic.
#22
Somewhere in Europe
Joined APC: Jan 2010
Position: A330 FO
Posts: 117
You guys are looking at this all wrong. What we need is security which is portable, practical and doesn't prevent a pilot getting back into the flightdeck.
I propose each pilot be equipped with one of these: http://chivalloot.weebly.com/uploads...263534.gif?280
CNN will probably pick this up because it is such a good idea.
I propose each pilot be equipped with one of these: http://chivalloot.weebly.com/uploads...263534.gif?280
CNN will probably pick this up because it is such a good idea.
#23
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2005
Posts: 8,915
Worked for almost 100 years before 9/11 too.
Shyguy, the other benefits to the two-door system are no need for the silly drink-cart barricade that the FA's do on some flights when the single door is opened, or the "vulnerable period" where the one guy leaves and the FA is entering, etc. When outer door locked inner door can be always bypassed preventing lockout. I'm not necessarily a fan, but I do see the possible logic.
Shyguy, the other benefits to the two-door system are no need for the silly drink-cart barricade that the FA's do on some flights when the single door is opened, or the "vulnerable period" where the one guy leaves and the FA is entering, etc. When outer door locked inner door can be always bypassed preventing lockout. I'm not necessarily a fan, but I do see the possible logic.
The only difference was before 9/11, planes were not used to fly into buildings by hijackers.
#24
Agreed. This 27 yr old had dated one flight attendant and one teacher. From what those two have stated publicly he was heavily insecure. Had there been a FA right there with him, his insecurities would probably have prevented him from carrying out the crash. (Just conjecture) but based on the facts presented about him so far, it's very plausible he wouldn't have done this with a FA present.
#25
Runs with scissors
Joined APC: Dec 2009
Position: Going to hell in a bucket, but enjoying the ride .
Posts: 7,730
It would have been nice if he had done it alone, in a glider.
The fact that he chose to kill 150 innocent people tells me he either hated his employer, or he hated innocent people, or perhaps both.
I'm wondering if we are not hearing 'the rest of the story' from his employer, perhaps they were going to fire him after this trip? Or put him on medical leave? It seems as if they did something to really pizz him off, or maybe it was the girlfriend who did, but I would think he'd take her with him if that were the case.
The fact that he chose to kill 150 innocent people tells me he either hated his employer, or he hated innocent people, or perhaps both.
I'm wondering if we are not hearing 'the rest of the story' from his employer, perhaps they were going to fire him after this trip? Or put him on medical leave? It seems as if they did something to really pizz him off, or maybe it was the girlfriend who did, but I would think he'd take her with him if that were the case.
#26
I can foresee a future where each pilot has a mode control panel and in order to make inputs, both pilot actions must agree before the plane reacts. And if during cruise a pilot goes to the bathroom and an action with immediate response is required, TCAS alert for example, the flight computer will allow one set of inputs. Or perhaps a setup similar to that except the seats have a weight sensor and can tell when someone is in both seats.
#27
#28
Most of today's US pilots wouldn't even be selected for LH flightschool since... well US citizens are missing a lot in education...
You guys think so highly of yourself but are lacking general physics, chemistry, general knowledge etc...
There's a reason the whole world thinks badly about the US and hates you guys... Ignorance for one...
#29
This is always a fun one ..
While taxiing out in sequence behind a Lufthansa airliner at Frankfurt, a C-130 crew noticed an orange "Remove before flight" streamer hanging out of the Lufthansa nose wheel well (their nose gear locking pin was still installed). Not wanting to cause too much embarrassment by going thru the controller, the 130 crew simply called the Lufthansa aircraft on the tower frequency: "Lufthansa aircraft, Herky 23." No reply.
They repeated the transmission and again there was no reply. Instead, the Lufthansa pilot called the tower and asked the tower to tell the Herky crew that "the professional pilots of Lufthansa do not engage in unprofessional conversations over the radio."
The 130 pilot quickly replied, "Frankfurt tower, can you please relay to the professional pilots of the Lufthansa aircraft that their nose gear pin is still installed?"
I'll stack my military training up against your ATCA and Bremem training any day, Hans.
While taxiing out in sequence behind a Lufthansa airliner at Frankfurt, a C-130 crew noticed an orange "Remove before flight" streamer hanging out of the Lufthansa nose wheel well (their nose gear locking pin was still installed). Not wanting to cause too much embarrassment by going thru the controller, the 130 crew simply called the Lufthansa aircraft on the tower frequency: "Lufthansa aircraft, Herky 23." No reply.
They repeated the transmission and again there was no reply. Instead, the Lufthansa pilot called the tower and asked the tower to tell the Herky crew that "the professional pilots of Lufthansa do not engage in unprofessional conversations over the radio."
The 130 pilot quickly replied, "Frankfurt tower, can you please relay to the professional pilots of the Lufthansa aircraft that their nose gear pin is still installed?"
I'll stack my military training up against your ATCA and Bremem training any day, Hans.
#30
Quality over quantity, but America seems to have a huge problem with that... There's a reason the FAA was in Bremen and was extremely surprised about the quality LH trainees go through
Most of today's US pilots wouldn't even be selected for LH flightschool since... well US citizens are missing a lot in education...
You guys think so highly of yourself but are lacking general physics, chemistry, general knowledge etc...
There's a reason the whole world thinks badly about the US and hates you guys... Ignorance for one...
Most of today's US pilots wouldn't even be selected for LH flightschool since... well US citizens are missing a lot in education...
You guys think so highly of yourself but are lacking general physics, chemistry, general knowledge etc...
There's a reason the whole world thinks badly about the US and hates you guys... Ignorance for one...
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